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Subject: Eliyehowah: a Kook posting in the Wilderness?
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Has Eliyehowah (elijah@wi.net) ever been a Kook Of The Month and, if not,
why not?

He is verily the Archimedes Plutonium of the archaeology and anthropology
newsgroups; for those unfamiliar with the twaddle he posts, I enclose a 
suitable sample below.  Please note especially his "explanation" about
how his quasi-fundamentalist history of the world fits neither of the 
conventional dating methods using C-14 decay nor dendrochronology; when
his drivel is shewn to be drivel, he sometimes gets quite abusive...

I think he'd be an admirable KotM...

< Paul >

>From: Eliyehowah 
>Newsgroups: sci.archaeology,alt.archaeology,alt.religion.christian,
>alt.pagan,alt.satanism,alt.atheism
>Subject: Bible Chron scale versus Earth Chron, Intro2 (reply to SORTING)
>Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:42:14 +0000
>Organization: Exec-PC BBS Internet - Milwaukee, WI
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>To: Xina 
>
>Xina wrote: 
>> In response to Elijah's earlier post entitled" "Bible Chronon vs.
>> Archaeology...etc etc) I will post what I believe the true chronology of
>> the earth's age.  There are many who dont agree with this.  This is
>> fine.  I have no emotional attachment to being right or wrong on this.
>> If I am wrong, I will bow to the superior knowlege of anyone who can
>> adequately show through citation of archaeological or geological *FACT*
>> that I have erred.  At the end of this post I shall (*again!*) post my
>> sources.
>
>I accept God's nature as my sources. This means I bow or humble myself
>to any scholar who presents physical data requiring me to find an answer
>to any contradictions. I do not bow to mere hypothesis, nor to popular view,
>nor to famed authors or scholars. Data MUST be from God (meaning physical).
>Such data is dendrochron and C-14 etc. Yes, I humbly agree they must be
>explained as to why their results. And I will admit the fields I have yet to
>know. If you wish to feel this makes me inadequate to represent my God that
>is your choice, but I will still present the case rather than sit back 
>and watch.
>
>> I have no concrete date that I can cite with certainty about the earth's
>> true age.  I will therefore post in chronological order the first life
>> to modern man and then in a later post we can go through whether or not
>> there are dates that correspond with the bible, or not.  All information
>> posted is the opinion and research of the author, no claims to its
>> spritiual or scientific absoluteness is implied outside of what is now
>> available to us through scientific research.
>
>I accept the generally published 4 billion years.
>As for life, I cannot enter the argument until land rises in the 3rd day
>as 32,005 - 25,005 BC unless you wish to argue the need for light
>in ocean life prior to 46,005 BC. Point is that the division line is
>made by these 14,000 years from darkness upon the ocean to
>land for animals who must stay above water. Anything before
>32,005 BC is a learning procedure for me of which I am able to accept
>one-cell life as billions of years old. Since man is not about to die
>from all bacteria being wiped out, I think our conversation should
>be one that directly reflects HUMAN history, humans not evolving states
>which are claimed. Adam is 4025 BC, Abel died after their sin in
>3955 BC as the earliest possible C-14 hypotheitical subject available.
>http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/histry/7daycreation.GIF
>(this is not a reference, it is my presentation)
>
>> 1)  bacteria - 3.8 billion years
>> 2)  Blue Green Algae or Cyanobacteria - 2.9 billion years
>> 3)  Eukaryotes( first plant and animal cells with nucleus) - 1.45
>> billion years
>> 4)  Multicelled animals - 680 million years
>> 5)  Fish  - 530 Million years
>
>> 6)  Land Plants - 400 million years              32,005 - 25,005 BC
>> 7)  Amphibians - 370 million years
>> 8)  Reptiles - 340 Million years
>> 9)  Mammals - 200 Million years
>> 10) Dinosaurs 200 million years
>> 11) Birds - 175 Million Years
>> 12) Austrolpithencus Africanus - 4.5 million years
>> 13) Australopithecs rubustus - 4 million years
>> 14) Homo Habilus - 3.5 million years
>> 15) Homo Erectus - 2 million years
>> 16) Homo Sapiens Neanderthalenesis - 200,000 years
>> 17) Homo Sapiens Sapiens - 30,000 years  (See source #1)
>
>> This puts us right up to the Upper Paleolithic Age, which went from
>> 30,000 BC to 10,000 BC.  From there we can go to our second source
>> (2)"Archeaology of the Land of the Bible 10,000 BC - 586 BC by Amihai
>> Mazar(Professor at the University of Tel-Aviv in Israel) 1992 Doubleday
>> Publishing)  We are now into the Neoltihtic age.
>
>I regard all C-14 readings from 20,000 BC to be postFlood 2370 BC.
>I do believe that preFlood wood can be used by postFlood man.
>Such wood would date as older than 20,000 BC. Yes, archeology does
>collect the smallest little things and claims they were made by humans.
>Abel's death after 3955 BC would date by our C-14 labs as 20,000 more
>years or thus as 21,855 BC. Thus preFlood humans of 3955-2370 BC
>date by C-14 as 21,855-20,000 BC. The C-14 limits of 50,000-70,000
>are thus reduced to being 30,000-50,000. Radiologists are very cautious
>to go beyond the lower figure of 50,000 (biblical 30,000).
>(reference for the 50,000 and 70,000 upon request)
>Note that the 30,000 falls within the creative day earth rose from the sea.
>Below these poterries are dated by C-14 and thus in my view are all
>post Flood as after 2370 BC, and being dated as post 10,000 BC ice age
>also means they are viewed by me as post Ice Age 2320 BC.
>It is to be noted that these ages were laid out 100 years ago when many
>scholars were still bibically influenced. The preFlood city of Badgurgurru
>from the Weld Prism means City of Bronze workers about 3160 BC.
>(one of my two sources for bronze translation = Halley Handbook p.70)
>http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/histry/preFludkngs2.GIF
>Thus the idea of bronze as 3000 BC was established during the days
>when compromise existed between scholars so as to avoid the
>Darwin versus creationists of the 1800s.
>
>> Pre-Pottery Neolithic A         ca. 8500 - 7500 BCE
>> Pre Pottery Neolithic B         ca. 7500 - 6000 BCE
>> Pottery Neolithic A             ca. 6000 - 5000 BCE
>> Pottery Neolithic B             ca. 5000 - 4300 BCE
>> Chalcolithic                    ca. 4300 - 3300 BCE
>> Early Bronze                    ca. 3300 - 3050 BCE
>> Early Bronze II -III            ca. 3050 - 2300 BCE*
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Early Bronze IV/Middle Bronze I ca. 2300 - 2000 BCE*
>> Middle Bronze IIA               ca. 2000 - 1800/1750 BCE
>> Middle Bronze IIB-C             ca. 1800/1750 - 1550 BCE
>> Late Bronze I                   ca. 1500 - 1400 BCE
>> Late Bronze II A-B              ca. 1400 - 1200 BCE
>> Iron IA                         ca. 1200 - 1150 BCE
>> Iron IB                         ca. 1150 - 1000 BCE
>> Iron IIA                        ca. 1000 -  925 BCE
>> Iron IIB                        ca. 925 - 720 BCE
>> Iron IIC                        ca. 720- 586 BCE
>
>> * Elijah's alleged date for the biblical flood.
>
>> Essentially the Pyramids were built within the period around the Early
>> Bronze Age, if the flood occured there would be an interuption of this
>> age into the next one, in fact there would be noticable setback in
>> pottery and in building etc.
>
>The bronze age existed equally after the Flood as before. This however
>permitted scholars to take the postFlood pyramid age of bronze and place
>it during the preFlood bronze age. The Septuagint Genesis placing Flood
>at 3090 BC, and the Egyptian Papyrus canon (Turin) likewise making 3090 BC
>its epoch permitted postFlood pyramid to be the same bronze age. My story
>is one in which I claim as Moses that all languages have confused the
>order of events by justifying their claims thru semantics.
>
>> I will post a pharonic chronology later this week. 
>
>I will too. Chicago Oriental Institute's Richard Parker's from the Americana.
>
>> My questions are:
>> If Adam was the 'first man' (or was he the first white man as some here
>> have proposed) then we can actually date him to over 10,000 years ago.
>
>Correct. I feel he is incorrectly dated as over 10,000 years due to C-14
>of 2320 BC giving a false age of 10,000 years. Adam's death being in
>3096 BC would thus give a false reading of 20,725 BC if his body were
>preserved. I have just noted an interesting aliginment. Being his true
>death is 5 years before the 3090 BC Egyptian epoch, note that adamah
>means MAN and thus Adam's deathyear could have easily been translated
>by Egyptians as that of all MAN dying in the creation epoch (the flood),
>or that of Noah's father who did die 5 years before the Flood.
>
>> If the biblical flood was an actuality, *why* was there no break in the
>> architecture, art and culture of any civilization in the areas of africa
>> and Europe at that time?
>
>TIMELINE.....architecture is NOT the years currently assigned.
>The first discovers of pyramid astronomy dated the main shaft by Thuban
>as 2170 BC and 2160 BC and realized that the alternative was 700 years
>in the other direction.
>3500 BC as 700 yrs before 2800 BC
>versus
>2100 BC as 700 yrs after 2800 BC. This created the two opposing views
>with evolution choosing the distant 3500 BC and faithful men of God
>choosing the 2170 or 2160 BC.
>(source Tomkins Secret of GP, also Smyth, and third source upon request...
>this third source ..about astronomy..claimed the pyramid must be
>3500 BC and 2100 BC as too young. The current pyramid is placed
>according to Richard Parker's KuFu stretching from 3110 BC as the epoch
>of which the Americana says that 20 years are thrown in for the 9&10th 
>dynasties now regarded as contemproary to 11th.)
>
>> I will need to see how you explain away several billion years of
>> pre-history.
>> SOURCE LIST:
>> (1) 'Dinosaurs and Prehistoric Life' by Beverly Halstead 1989 Running
>> Press
>> (2)"Archeaology of the Land of the Bible 10,000 BC - 586 BC by Amihai
>> Mazar(Professor at the University of Tel-Aviv in Israel) 1992 Doubleday
>> Publishing)
>> Also cited in part one The World Atlas of Archeaology, by GK K Hall and
>> Co. (page 23)
>
>************
>everyone benefiting from my work please email
>my postmaster, my site will move unless those appreciative
>send email to counter those trying to destroy it
>************
>A voice crying out and going unheard,
>(40 years Oct 7) Nehemiah's (9:1) 50th JUBILEE of Tishri 24 
>God's 1000 years has begun Sep 14 of 1996.
>http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/Ezra1991CE.gif
>
>Discover the world's true chronology thru the Bible at
>          http://www.execpc.com/~elijah
>


 
 


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From: bediger@csn.net (Bruce Ediger)
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Re: Eliyehowah: a Kook posting in the Wilderness?
Date: 17 Nov 1996 18:15:10 -0700
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pcd@bozzie.demon.co.uk wrote:
>Has Eliyehowah (elijah@wi.net) ever been a Kook Of The Month and, if not,
>why not?

As far as I know, Eliyehowah has never been a KotM.  In my view, this is
because he's not as "out front" as some other Religious HeadCases like
Steve Winter.  Eliyehowah has also posted as "elijah@execpc.com".  He's
used 'Elijah', 'Elijahovah', and 'Eliyahweh' as names in addition to
'Eliyehowah'.

>He is verily the Archimedes Plutonium of the archaeology and anthropology
>newsgroups; for those unfamiliar with the twaddle he posts, I enclose a 

I think he should earn extra points for predicting the end of the world
for about mid-September, 1996 (see attached post).  Naturally, this
failed to come about.  Unlike Harold Camping, Eliyehowah has the gall
to show himself in public again.

>I think he'd be an admirable KotM...

Me, too.  I second the nomination.

In addition to the attached post, other 'Eliyehowah' posts that clearly
have him predicting the end of the world are:

~Subject: 40 days til God's government
	Message-ID: <32060522.929@execpc.com>
~Subject: 82-year restoration of New Jerusalem (1914-1996 CE)
	Message-ID: <31F653AD.7642@execpc.com>
~Subject: THE HOUR HERE:  those scoffing and those laughing at me
	Message-ID: <31FBB233.5FD1@execpc.com>

=====
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~From: Eliyehowah 
~Newsgroups: alt.religion.christian,talk.religion.misc,talk.origins,sci.skeptic,a
~Subject: 34 days til God's government is not Jewish 5757 AM
~Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 09:51:10 +0000
Message-ID: <320EFE8E.3210@execpc.com>

26th day of Ab
29 left for wall
34 til kindom Rosh Hoshana
43 til atonement

hail God's new World government
down with the image
down with the new World Government beast

http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/6000/6000sedrolam.gif

LIFE magazine says that the Jews will rejoice for that day
as the New Year to 5757 AM. However you can see that this is
based on Jerusalem as destroyed in 423 BC instead of the
known 539 BC.

They fail to see that the Christ proved his return as 6000 years
in 1976 AD by his peaceful presence amongst those bringing
down Esther's house. Haman attempted to bring down the house
of Esther not knowing that the Queen of God's anointed king Darius
was a Jew. He did this 62 years after Jerusalem had started restoration.

So to now 62 years after the restoration was started in 1914,
Esther's house was again being attacked as a 50th jubilee (2450 years)
by those who insist that Esther (the true Church) the bride of God's anointed
is NOT Christ's chosen. Instead they still regard Vashti (their own church)
the king's former wife who paints herself up so beautifully and yet defies the k
This year Vashti will be put to death and those who dwell with her in
support. Vashti will celebrate her birthday on Christmas of 1996 AD as
her own version of 6000 years.


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From: pcd@bozzie.demon.co.uk (Paul C. Dickie)
Newsgroups: alt.usenet.kooks
Subject: Eliyehowah and the unilateral use of censorship
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Some folk in the archaeology newsgroup were less than generous in their praise 
of Eliyehowah (the Archimedes Plutonium of archaeology).  This was his response 
-- an attempt to have *their* Usenet access curtailed.

KotM material, methinks!

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~From: Elijah 
~Newsgroups: alt.archaeology,sci.anthropology,sci.anthropology.paleo,
sci.archaeology,alt.archaeology,sci.physics,misc.test,sci.classics,
alt.sci.physics.new-theories
~Subject: His excellent reply: trimming headers (to stop crossposting)
~Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 22:33:22 +0000
Message-ID: <328E4132.18D0@wi.net>

romana@azstarnet.com wrote:
> I have noticed that this issue of crossposting via not trimming
> headers has been around for a long time without solution.  As a person
> who does not have much time to spend on newsgroups triming headers is
> more time consuming than I can afford.  It is also putting me in the
> position of editor to decide where this post belongs.  Who am I to
> judge through the plethera of newsgroups just where this particular
> post should go.  Instead of asking the origninal poster (the person
> who is really responsible) not to send certain materials to certain
> newsgroups, people who are merely trying to participate in discussions
> are harrased continually.  I am not responsible for deciding what goes
> where, I refuse to be put in the spot of the editor of the newsgroups.
> If you don't like a thread you may delete it or you could also put it
> in your kill file.  Let us all try to make the newsgroups a more
> pleasant place to be.

Eli writes:
I suggest that everyone who can understand the above post
take it and paste it in a notepad where everytime they read a post like
below which calls people fuckwits and accuses them of starting the
thread....you can mail their postmaster by merely copying their
address and writing postmaster ahead of it.

examples for the below posts of
Jack Campin as:
jack@purr.demon.co.uk
postmaster@purr.demon.co.uk

and Michael D. Painter as:
mpainter@maxinet.com
postmaster@maxinet.com

> Ah, Jack, it appears that you have not met EJ before.
> This latest appearance is one of the most coherent posts I've seen from
> him. ( No, really)
> He exhibits all the behavior of someone who goes off his meds, gets worse
> and worse, then gets locked up for a few days (when he disappears) and is
> put back on track.
> I said this in jest the first time I ran across him but am beginning to
> believe I was right.

> Jack Campin  wrote in article<1942@purr.demon.co.uk>...> > Eliyehowah  writes:
> > > This is a reply. I have not chosen the header newsgroups this thread is
> > > found in.
> >
> > Yes you have, fuckwit.  You can't weasel out of your responsibility by
> > saying "the other guy started it".
> > > I have added alt.religion.christian to share with them
> > I'm sure that group's readers are all *really* grateful.  I don't think.
> > Now edit your goddamn headers before continuing this discussion.

> > Jack Campin
> jack@purr.demon.co.uk
> > T/L, 2 Haddington Place, Edinburgh EH7 4AE, Scotland       (+44) 131 556
> 5272
> > ---------------------  Save Scunthorpe from Censorship

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