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Subject: Re: Second for Elijawhosits for Kook of the Month.
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The Daemons (daemons@uiuc.edu) wrote:
: jrdavis@netcom.com (John Davis) writes:

: >Xina, has nominated Richard Schiller for this "prestigious" award.  Being 
: >in complete agreement with her, I wish to second the nomination.  

: /So noted; I've got Nik out digging up some evidence, too.  Would you be
: nice and get a summary for us, so we can put it up for everyone's
: enjoyment?/

: >Those of you who wish to vote for good old Elijawhosits send e-mail to 
: >deamons@uiuc.edu (mlegre is talking some time off) and mention Richard 
: >Schiller by name.  Those who wish a little more background will find it 
: >in vainglorious plenty at www.dejanews.com.  

: /Oh, and that's daemons@uiuc.edu, not deamons...oh yeah, and we've only
: got read privleges for it for now, everything else'll have to go through
: some other stuff.  Maybe we'll get it back up and together later.../

Sorry about the "typo."  HEHEHEHEHEHE

As for the sample, easier done than said.  I just ran over to
alt.archaeology and pulled down several typical post currently in several
threads.  I think that's about 14 articles from 14 threads.  Not a bad
weeks work for this twit.  You'll notice the Pocket Prophet seems to get
off his medication in a couple of places. 


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I take it we can begin building upon our timelines we have now provided.
And you will understand then why I then regard some things AFTER this Flood
that by numeric year you would view as BEFORE my year for the Flood.
And thus avoid confusion when you call my shots. Rather than forcing each other
into the goal of being a farce...the science world versus religious world....
let us understand first what we are each claiming. Though Creationists cannot speak for me
and my God (so please dont insult me by presuming I have their beliefs, it
will run us into a tangent), may I presume you *DO* have the scientific beliefs of
the world....or are you too as individual as I am in your beliefs?
I do not consider the Flood quite yet a debate in our topic but rather C-14.
Debating whether C-14 is in error or not, and WHERE is it in error.
If you know C-14, you will know we both (science/religion) believe it to be in error.
C-14 does NOT match your ancient history of epoch 3000 BC to 2000 BC,
nor does it match mine as Flood 2370-2000 BC.....
(note the 3000 BC epoch = 2370 BC epoch equation)
but rather falls between the two. (Closer to mine than yours.)
However, you will NOW see how I can scrutinize and criticise my own work.........
The chart --appears-- to match MY chronology perfectly with no adjustment.
But as a realist towards the Bible I must recognize the C-14 method as dating
Egyptian DEATH, (not Egyptian life) and that a curve of increase
(to explain pre-Flood dates of man's works as 20,000 years)
does not spread thru earth's atmosphere in but one year.
For this reason, the charts I will present
from the C-14 convention of your scientists cannot proudly be claimed by me
as perfectly matching my work. [Simply, my Egypt doesnt begin in 2370 BC
when Noah walked off the ark. And so C-14 Egyptian dates which proudly
support  2370 BC (not 3000 BC) cannot be used by me to produce a 2370 BC Egypt.
This means that the C-14 results which God supplies speaks equally to me
as it does you to come up with an explanation. Your people say the trees
in dendrochronology are accurate in count and that their C-14 in them
is 720 years off. I contend that the trees are off, and that the C-14 is
BASICALLY correct for planet earth (yet for these Egyptian Pharaohs
(biblical generations 1 thru 4 living 400 years all die during 12th dynasty Egypt),
the C-14 dates of these Pharaohs MUST be regarded by me as 2170 BC Giza
to 2030 BC as 5th dynasty death,
to 2020 BC as the inaugurated HOUSE (pharaoh by Mena)
to 1943 BC inaugurating the 12th dynasty during which the 1st thru 4th dynasty kings died 
down til 1824 BC. Restoring human longevity is the claim I make for my God.
A restoration of what was lost.

Below is the short replies to your last post.
If you wish to present C-14 at this time, please do so. Otherwise with your
permission I will proceed to present the C-14 for Egypt epoch (flood) and down
past 2000 BC, so that you may scrutinize as you wish and ask me where I get this crap.

>Eliyehowah wrote:
>> I accept God's nature as my sources.
> This means I bow or humble myself
>> to any scholar who presents physical data requiring me to find an answer
> to any contradictions. I do not bow to mere hypothesis, nor to popular view,
> nor to famed authors or scholars. Data MUST be from God (meaning physical).

>Then this means you must produce the physical data that proves several
>different things that your now often published GIFs contain.  One of them 
>being the (in)famous biblical flood, the other is the age of certain
>humans on earth (if anything mankind lives longer now than he did in
>ancient times), and the incredibly underestimated time frame that you
>have for mankind's existence.  Where are the evidences outside of these
>GIFs?  These are wrong, and if they are not wrong, where are their root
>sources at?

WELL PUT

>> Such data is dendrochron and C-14 etc. Yes, I humbly agree they must be
> explained as to why their results. And I will admit the fields I have yet to know. If you wish to feel this makes me inadequate to represent my God that is your choice, but I will still present the case rather than sit back and watch.

>You havent presented much of anything.  You just admited the C-14 does
>not match your figures, how is it that thousands of independant
>scientists or even ones affiliated with established organizations have
>not seen fit to prove these things that you think are correct. The
>answer is, I would imagine, is that there *is* no proof outside of your
>faith in your religion.
>The bible was never intended to be taken as a literalism, and those who
>take it as such are simply unable, or unwilling to see what is
>underneath. This is not fault of their own, the data has been so
>manipulated over history that its very difficult to ascertain what is
>metaphor and what is history,it is blended.  
>There is an excellent book for any people of faith who have a difficult
>time resolving it with what they know is the truth and what has been
>scientifically proven, "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism: A Bishop
>Rethinks the Meaning of Scripture" by John Shelby Spong, (a bishop in
>Episcopal Church) 1991, Harper Collins Publishing, ISBN 0-006-067518-7.

>It is an excellent book, it is written objectively and by someone who
>does have faith in his God and in what he knows is the truth.  These
>things are not incompatible, its just that he realizes (as some do not)
>that to know what is in the mind of the Creator at all times is the
>height of arrogance.

I consider this an excuse. And it places Jesus at the height of
arrogance for knowing the mind of God. I presume the bishop is
therefore Catholic and believes Jesus *IS* God so as to eliminate
this problem using the trinity. No wonder your frequent quoted
Catholic church has committed its crimes and excused itself.
But you dont have to be Catholic nor even believe in God to
excuse yourself with doctrines. Science has its worshipped doctrines.
That includes the doctrine I am sick of hearing about our viscious
animal instincts back to cave man and desires without morale.

>I choose to be less arrogant, and just go by what
>I can know now, and wait for the end-results whenever that time is.  

>> I will too. Chicago Oriental Institute's Richard Parker's from the Americana.

>The OI has a wide range of study on the Near East.  It will be
>interesting to see who comes up with what. 

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Below Xina realizes that I have something to build on and she
does not. Otherwise there is nothing below in the post of mine
she replied to which indicates rude behavior on my part.
Yet I will now reply as kindly as she does.....
My usual unappreciated satire:  (oh how rude of me;
but where the hell does she think I have to read her crap
thinking that as a lesbian bitch she can list off her psychological
profile of me in scientific newsgroups).
She cannot discuss her Egypt which falls after a 3090 BC epoch
in contrast to my Egypt which falls after a 2370 BC Flood. She pukes
on hearing it as if she has a priest (her university) telling her to
turn and shun and close her eyes to this shock shock shocking puke
of Bible as truth. Does Xina also shriek like an invaded Body Snatcher?
(REFERENCE: This is a movie reference and not a lesbian snatch pun.)

She is apparently under pressure. In email
she says other PROFESSIONALS are inquiring why she deals
with me. And she also is easily intimidated by the likes of those who
mimick this convention as being a YoYo
 (you must read that posted comedy; it is funny, the guy is always good).
I can appreciate laughs.
However of course IMHO it is true I have never met
a laugher who admits to lesbianism, nor a lesbian who laughs.
Of course Xina might say that lesbianism isnt a mental disorder in need of counseling.
Why they have educated themselves to become the very counselors
of unhappy heterosexuals. Xina's list of psychotic behavior certainly
wasnt found in 3 hours of psychological testing for a job. Wonder if she
took the same test I did?

Eliyehowah wrote:
> I take it we can begin building upon our timelines we have now provided.
> And you will understand then why I then regard some things AFTER this Flood
> that by numeric year you would view as BEFORE my year for the Flood.

> And thus avoid confusion when you call my shots. Rather than forcing each other
> into the goal of being a farce...the science world versus religious world....
> let us understand first what we are each claiming. Though Creationists cannot speak for me
> and my God (so please dont insult me by presuming I have their beliefs, it
> will run us into a tangent), may I presume you *DO* have the scientific beliefs of
> the world....or are you too as individual as I am in your beliefs?
> I do not consider the Flood quite yet a debate in our topic but rather C-14.
> Debating whether C-14 is in error or not, and WHERE is it in error.
> If you know C-14, you will know we both (science/religion) believe it to be in error.
> C-14 does NOT match your ancient history of epoch 3000 BC to 2000 BC,
> nor does it match mine as Flood 2370-2000 BC.....
> (note the 3000 BC epoch = 2370 BC epoch equation)
> but rather falls between the two. (Closer to mine than yours.)
> However, you will NOW see how I can scrutinize and criticise my own work.........
> The chart --appears-- to match MY chronology perfectly with no adjustment.
> But as a realist towards the Bible I must recognize the C-14 method as dating
> Egyptian DEATH, (not Egyptian life) and that a curve of increase
> (to explain pre-Flood dates of man's works as 20,000 years)
> does not spread thru earth's atmosphere in but one year.
> For this reason, the charts I will present
> from the C-14 convention of your scientists cannot proudly be claimed by me
> as perfectly matching my work. [Simply, my Egypt doesnt begin in 2370 BC
> when Noah walked off the ark. And so C-14 Egyptian dates which proudly
> support  2370 BC (not 3000 BC) cannot be used by me to produce a 2370 BC Egypt.
> This means that the C-14 results which God supplies speaks equally to me
> as it does you to come up with an explanation. Your people say the trees
> in dendrochronology are accurate in count and that their C-14 in them
> is 720 years off. I contend that the trees are off, and that the C-14 is
> BASICALLY correct for planet earth (yet for these Egyptian Pharaohs
> (biblical generations 1 thru 4 living 400 years all die during 12th dynasty Egypt),
> the C-14 dates of these Pharaohs MUST be regarded by me as 2170 BC Giza
> to 2030 BC as 5th dynasty death,
> to 2020 BC as the inaugurated HOUSE (pharaoh by Mena)
> to 1943 BC inaugurating the 12th dynasty during which the 1st thru 4th dynasty kings died
> down til 1824 BC. Restoring human longevity is the claim I make for my God.
> A restoration of what was lost.
> 
> Below is the short replies to your last post.
> If you wish to present C-14 at this time, please do so. Otherwise with your
> permission I will proceed to present the C-14 for Egypt epoch (flood) and down
> past 2000 BC, so that you may scrutinize as you wish and ask me where I get this crap.

Xina:
> >"Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism: A Bishop
> >Rethinks the Meaning of Scripture" by John Shelby Spong, (a bishop in
> >Episcopal Church) 1991, Harper Collins Publishing, ISBN 0-006-067518-7.
> >It is an excellent book, it is written objectively and by someone who
> >does have faith in his God and in what he knows is the truth.  These
> >things are not incompatible, its just that he realizes (as some do not)
> >that to know what is in the mind of the Creator at all times is the
> >height of arrogance.

NOTICE THE SLAM ABOVE, real professional behavior at a convention.

Eli:
> I consider this an excuse. And it places Jesus at the height of
> arrogance for knowing the mind of God. I presume the bishop is
> therefore Catholic and believes Jesus *IS* God so as to eliminate
> this problem using the trinity. No wonder your frequent quoted
> Catholic church has committed its crimes and excused itself.
> But you dont have to be Catholic nor even believe in God to
> excuse yourself with doctrines. Science has its worshipped doctrines.
> That includes the doctrine I am sick of hearing about our viscious
> animal instincts back to cave man and desires without morale.

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> On Sat, 16 Nov 1996, at 22:56:40, Elijah cajoled electrons into this
> >Below Xina realizes that I have something to build on and she
> >does not.

> Monumental ego perhaps?  No, she realises, along with just about
> everyone else here, that you are a lost cause, a complete waste of time
> and that if left to your own devices you will very soon disappear.

Can these great scholars and great teachers define someone who is
a LOST CAUSE. Their definition is that of  being a person who cannot be
seduced into or forced into their doctrines. How does this make them different
than cult religions !  Angry at religion, they make themselves the teachers
based on scientific success as the proof (God's approval) and claim to be the
new purged church of doctrines. And like priests they will seek for you to be
publicly shunned and slaughtered for choosing the freedom to oppose their
doctrine. As ALL have seen, I presented the data of a C-14 convention and these
internet archeo-cult pushers labeled the editor and convention as bible fanatics,
and even claiming the referenced GIF from their published findings as a
fabrication of my own. They act no different than those who slaughtered Galileo.
Makes no difference whether it was church or school, they behave the same
as lying soldiers of war.
 
> >Otherwise there is nothing below in the post of mine
> >she replied to which indicates rude behavior on my part.

> There is nothing below in the post of yours, full stop.

Others know there is, they retain the data, value it, and are wise
enough to know they need not reply (to keep silent) so as to take
the same heat you give me.

> I thought Xina was very kind.  Your words speak for themselves.  You do
> not need any help to convince anyone of your disturbed psychological
> status.  You are doing an admirable job of that on your own.

Xina knows not what a Messiah complex is. You have made yourselves the
Messiah claiming your findings will save men from all sorts of calamities.

> And psychiatry, along with most intelligent and reasonable people, would
> agree.

> >Why they have educated themselves to become the very counselors
> >of unhappy heterosexuals.
> >Xina's list of psychotic behavior certainly
> >wasnt found in 3 hours of psychological testing for a job. Wonder if she
> >took the same test I did?

> >NOTICE THE SLAM, real professional behavior at a convention.
 
> In my experience, most of the time at conventions is taken up with
> consideration of serious matters such as who will be sleeping with whom!

well put

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For an individual who ******claims********** to be a Christian, you use
some pretty vile language. Jesus must be sad to have you as a follower
and speaking in his name. Thankfully God knows all and will judge;
somehow I suspect your hypocracy will be found wanting.

Reply:
When I grew up the word bitch was unusable because
it meant a whore (another word unspeakable).
Yet Revelation used the word whore and there was no criticism of it.
With the awareness of changing culture, it became
obvious why such women were labeled as
female dogs of which no farmer ever made issue of
using the word bitch. However, though I just yesterday
heard the word slut on major network primetime TV in a comedy line
written for entertainment, the word bitch has not been used
as anything BUT to refer to women complainers, naggers,
female arrogance, defiant, mouthy etc. So your grounds
on that word is that of one who turns to Jesus and says
Why am I dying, wasnt I good in your name? And he never knew you.
Further, you people always ignore Jesus who labeled specific
men as vipers, offspring of vipers, offspring of the Devil,
hypocrites, a sly fox, etc. Clearly you do not know my Lord
nor stand boldly along side him.
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Xina wrote:
> Its ok Elijah, soon a man with a truck will be coming to take away your
> PC and another couple of men in a truck will come that will take you to
> a nice padded cell in a little shiny white hospital.  No big bad
> archaeolgists to taunt you there...its really ok. It will be all over
> soon.

Learn English. With your emotional reactions, you should stay in your
own world until you do.

Where would anyone have the authority to take my PC?
Or does Xina believe every lie she hears? How stupid of me,
she's already proven THAT !
Your reply is out of topic. I see no scientific data of C-14 for Egypt in
this post of yours. What a shame the christians dont bomb you
the way atheist scholars bomb me, not to mention all their
educational scholastic degrees they send my postmaster to
represent the GOOD [?] population who wants to send doctors !
Ha ha
I dont fear !  And I'm ready to fight every one of you people
deserving of death by God.
I give alternate-carpool with a black girl, I eat in the cafeteria
with another black girl, and my supervisor is sometimes black;
but like the crap you dish out, I dont take it. Anybody like you comes up
to me to express their opinion saying
Hey boy are you gay because you act like a quear !
and you're darn tootin I'm gonna answer back with a
Hey lesbian bitch are you a nigger cause you sure act black.
And usually I dont even name call in 3D real life.

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I dont see Egypt yet...Xina doesnt wish to talk Egypt.
Xina wants to force a Flood topic so she can view herself as WINNER.
This post is out of topic. It is just bitching.
Notice that Xina refuses the data charted by scholars far above her.
(Damon, and Long, and Grey, and Suess, and Ralph, and Michael)

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> Elijah wrote:
> > Below Xina realizes that I have something to build on and she
> > does not.

Xina wrote:
> No, I realize you are a dimtwit and a deadbeat and a bigot in need of
> some very serious help.

Before you you gather all your little scholars with the big mouths to
claim I need psychiatry, you better take a survey of the christian and
Jewish and Moslem population to see if they wish the world's
medical teams to be led by a lesbian. Nanana you're a dimwit,
you're deadbeat, you're a bigot...how about growing up.
You call this SERIOUS attitude on your part.

>  Otherwise there is nothing below in the post of mine
> > she replied to which indicates rude behavior on my part.
> > Yet I will now reply as kindly as she does.....

> A monumnetal first.

You were the one deciding to settle down peacably and then thru a fit
because I said Flood. THAT is very emotionally flippant (like PMS)...
do you genetic lesbians also have genetic PMS? (I dont know the physics
of your new published rules.)

> > My usual unappreciated satire:  (oh how rude of me;
> > but where the hell does she think I have to read her crap
> > thinking that as a lesbian bitch she can list off her psychological
> > profile of me in scientific newsgroups).
> > She cannot discuss her Egypt which falls after a 3090 BC epoch
> > in contrast to my Egypt which falls after a 2370 BC Flood. She pukes
> > on hearing it as if she has a priest (her university) telling her to
> > turn and shun and close her eyes to this shock shock shocking puke
> > of Bible as truth. Does Xina also shriek like an invaded Body Snatcher?

> While I may agree the thought of you is rather puke inducing, I never
> regurgitate when I am confronted with actual truth.  You simply had
> nothing to present as truth but your own lunatic ravings and half baked
> theories that are scientifically ill-thought if not outright
> ridiculous.
> If you can produce any data on the biblical flood of Noah,
> then by all means do so, I have never disagreed with the fact that the
> world floods in various places on occassion, I lived in Iowa during the
> flood of 93, I experienced it first hand, so please, if you have
> something you are perfectly able to present it, but I think your PC will
> be repossessed by that time.

So who or why would my PC be repossessed. You come up with
trash probably posted by 13-yr olds.

> In other words a cheap shot, because he doesnt have anything else to
> resort to.

WRONG I'm being like Xina, the little child throwing decriptive adjective names
as if to be presenting her intelligence.

> > She is apparently under pressure. In email
> > she says other PROFESSIONALS are inquiring why she deals
> > with me. And she also is easily intimidated by the likes of those who
> > mimick this convention as being a YoYo
> >  (you must read that posted comedy; it is funny, the guy is always good).

> Neither would the the APA, who doesn't have a problem with homosexuality
> (orheterosexuallity for that matter) because it isn't a psychological
> disorder.  Just as being black skinned isn't a psychological
> disorder--its a genetic trait.  Blacks don't need to be "fixed" (re,
> "ethnically cleansed") by those who think it's somehow wrong and neither
> do homosexuals!  Although, I'm curious, if homosexuals are broken then
> how would *you* fix them?  I know how the Nazis tried to do it, but what
> would your approach be do you think?

The blacks I know dont want your homo analogies. They do not equate their
fight with yours at all. Quit grabbing onto black skirts trying to grab onto
their deserved benefits for mistreatment. As for broken, you no longer
have the strength to carry out your own capital punishment laws.
Everybody is forgiven for everything until like Paul said you make
Jesus' sacrifice a mockery, killing him over and over again.

> I really want to know.  Would you use torture?, concentration camps? gas
> chambers?, or do
> you think that ostracizing them with your contempt is good enough?

Moses said that crimes are to be punished ONLY AFTER court trial,
and then the executeors of whatever punishment whether financial or
physical was to be carried out by the victims of the criminal. Perhaps this
means the parents of the women you sleep with would stone you.
Further, I do not rule others, yet clearly you wish to; as you clearly
demand to rule me or exert effort to get others to.

> These last few weeks have been very indicative of what "your kind" of
> world would be.  Thank you but I must respectfully decline.

You are NOT respectful at all, to anyone at all.

>  No wonder your frequent quoted
> > > Catholic church has committed its crimes and excused itself.
 
> I would say no Church's hands are completely free of stains.

I agree, but you avoided saying that no schools hands are free of stains.
Your brain refuses to even expound too long on such a topic.
 
> > > But you dont have to be Catholic nor even believe in God to
> > > excuse yourself with doctrines. Science has its worshipped doctrines.
> 
> Im not a slave to either one.  Im trying to be objective.  I never said
> *nothing* in the bible is untrue, I said the Noah flood story was a
> metaphor and it was bollocks that it should be taken as a literalism.
> There is a difference, however you are completely unable to discern the
> difference.  I am not at all surprised at this, just simply unwilling to
> further waste my time explaining to someone whose mentally and
> emotionally (and very proabably socially) impaired.

> > > That includes the doctrine I am sick of hearing about our viscious
> > > animal instincts back to cave man and desires without morale.

> What I suspect you are most sick of hearing is the truth.  You cannot
> face it so you spit at it vehemently.  Like it or not you have to share
> the planet with all the other creatures of the earth, including those of
> us humans who dont agree with you or your doctrines.
> After millenia of living with the human idea of Dominion over the earth,
> we have messed up the world that we were given so badly that we seem
> bent on our own destruction, now rather than face the responsiblility
> for cleaning up after ourselves, we wait for God or the Mothership or
> whatever 'rescuer' to bail us out.  YOu may as well make do with what
> you are given and be grateful for the gift that you have, in other words
> live life like you mean it.

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~From: Elijah 
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Karen McFarlin wrote:
> > > As was stated, even renowned creationists have disowned Ron
> > > and his ark.

> How did Kiwi birds from New Zealand, which cannot swim and cannot fly, get
> on this so-called ark? 
> Cairns

For stupid 20th century saviors of the world thru their technology,
you fail to ask yourselves how YOU would put them on an ark.
First, you would catch them, then you would walk thru the ark door.
You paint Noah in a wheel chair incapable of travel despite your
claims that natives travelled on foot to America over cold Alaska
in 10,000 BC

Further, you also fail to see these birds came to New Zealand
AFTER the Flood; prove they were there BEFORE it.

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Xina said:
>No you asked for a chronology, I posted it, then you said "I will too!"
>and didnt but persisted in somehow claiming that your biblical (read
>that as bollocks) flood was the same time as you said before, despite my
>refuting your arguements soundly.

My chronology was posted side by side to the RIGHT of your dates
where everyone could compare.
You listed dinosaur periods and I listed my own contrast to it.
I posted a 7-day GIF (not as a reference) but as the presentation
of where I was headed.

>> In essence she wanted a joust where she chooses both
>> of our weapons. Well, I'm sorry but that *IS* a bitch she
>> so proudly admits to be.
>> Especially since I am not offended by (even know and like)
>> several arrogant women, and yet I refer only to the liars
>> as being the bitches. And I hate deliberate malice liars
>> as much as Jesus did.\

>If you demonstrate my lies, then I will of course fall behind your
>definition.  As to my being arrogant.  Is it arrogance to say "I bow
>before no madman?'  And I dont.  Especially not you.  BTW...you are not
>Jesus, he had somehting which you do not....compassion and above all
>humility.  You might reread the bible and learn a bit more about those
>qualities.

And you killed him because he didnt approve of lesbians.

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>> I give alternate-carpool with a black girl, I eat in the cafeteria
>> with another black girl, and my supervisor is sometimes black;
>> but like the crap you dish out, I dont take it. 

>So does this make you a hero?  My stepfather is black, I have two
>adopted brothers who are black, and more that are Hispanic and more that
>are Native American from my Grandma's reservation.  I work with
>adherents of every religious faith known to man.  The nice thing about
>them is that they can peacefully co-exist with the rest of their
>co-workers.  I would have to agree with my devout Hindu and Moslem
>friends that arguing abou one's perceptions of God is the hieght of bad
>manners.  I would say that your ettiquette is atrocious.

As ususual you continue an off-topic bitching session in
a newsgroup of science. No mention of Egypt. Further, as usual
you cannot finish reading a thought without having to write a
whole book as an interrupting reply.
>>Anybody like you comes up
>> to me to express their opinion saying
>> Hey boy are you gay because you act like a queer !
>> and you're darn tootin I'm gonna answer back with a
>> Hey lesbian bitch are you a nigger cause you sure act black.

>You harp on my usage of the English language, and yet your spelling
>leaves so much to be desired.  If you want to insult the homosexuals of
>the world properly at least learn how to spell the insults! 
>I don't have the slightest hidden neurotic desire to be in the same
>state with you let alone the same room.  And go ahead and call me those
>things, I happen to love my colourful family so your insults are moot,
>and dont mean a thing to me.

Talk of paranoia and blindness. How is it you take this post as
personal. I was speaking of a black woman at work yesterday of who
worked next to me for the first time, and who dared
to make that gay crack about me. In return I asked how long she's
been a lesbian, and then during lunch asked all the white supervisors
if she would have been able to handle my asking her if she's a nigger
cause she acts like one. (There has never been a black person I regarded
as a nigger, but your advocated 1990s behavior can certainly change my heart
to see the few who are.) So Yogi Bear buttons is not what I was
asking for in the start of the post. It is only what your demon-inspired
heart chooses to see it as. You ARE killers, and liars too.
After killing Jesus, you deny it, and claim he caused his own death.

>So why the sudden change?  

The internetiquette you claim is online and isnt.
 
>In amongst your ravings you terrorize 17 and 18 year olds?
> What kind of person sends an email to somone with the
>name phone number and address of every other person in the country with
>the same last name in an effort to emotionally terrorize them?  This is
>NOT something I was simply "told" by the way, this is something I saw
>with my own eyes.  (And I encourage anyone else to witness for
>themselves).

You saw no such list. And you encourage a witch hunt.
Ms. Archeo, go find another Egyptian cavity to stick your fingers in.
You dont even see the demons in you.

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Daniel B. Holzman wrote:
> I've known many lesbians who laugh.
> Perhaps you're just not funny.

I'm funny plenty of times in person.
I just have enough hatred for all those
heterosexual horny commoners who think they're
being cute asking me if I'm really funny or just act it.

NOT LAUGHIN

And lesbians are more jealous over men dancing
with their lovers than male gays are jealous of dancing
with females. Sounds like a mental disorder to me.

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Xina wrote:
> In amongst your ravings you terrorize 17 and
> 18 year olds?  What kind of person sends an email to somone with the
> name phone number and address of every other person in the country with
> the same last name in an effort to emotionally terrorize them?  This is
> NOT something I was simply "told" by the way, this is something I saw
> with my own eyes.  (And I encourage anyone else to witness for
> themselves).

Lesbian Christina Van Spore (spelt as she is),
has seen no list. She is following a thread that postmasters/abuse
has settled, and is attempting to create greater havoc from it.
She and her ISP are liable. And she is so stupid to advance without knowing
the email which transpired between my postmaster and the postmaster of
Garrison Netzel.

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Xina wrote:
> Please follow the threads and watch the real story unfold.

What real story. That I have met asses before her.
How nice Xina that you are still so on topic. I must be an archeological discovery
for you to unfold my life here in this newsgroup. At least I recognize
an intent on God creating male and female parts. Only you would ever
try to plug sockets together. Like your Egypt with holes in it.
Or the cavity in your head.
Xina ignores the fact she is slandering thru claiming she saw a list
and wishes you to witness it yourself. She's rolling now. Let's see
what she wishes to post next as MORE off topic science.

> Elijah wrote: 
> > You saw no such list. And you encourage a witch hunt.

Lesbian Christina Van Spore is emailing me when she had promised to stop.
These reply posts are NOT emailed to her, yet she is still harrassing me by email.
Notice what a damn liar she is. Do note that Paul lists liars along with being
lesbians who wont inherit God's kingdom.

In this reply she also ignores that I stated a black woman called me queer at work
and I had no trouble asking how long she was a lesbian so that she could ask that.
I further asked if I had the freedom to ask her if she was a nigger. I have never
referred to any as such before, however Xina is so unbalanced that she
accused me of claiming this story was about her. It was a story of yesterday
at work. Of course, Xina doesnt appear to have a job other than her
un-named customer.

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~From: Elijah 
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This is a reply to a poster who claimed the variance of C-14
is due to Libby's 5570-yr half-life being a 3% variation from
the current figure used for C-14 half-life.

http://www.execpc.com/~elijah/c14TPC.gif

C-14 variance of 3% doesnt cover the 720-year error in which
science uses dendrochronology to make the stretch.
Does 720 years look like 3 % of 5570 years.
A 3% as 167 years isnt even enough to explain Egypt's Papyrus
being 720 years more than the Hebrew Genesis account.
Further scholastic jackasses act as if I dont know the epoch
is 1950 AD....where else do they think all the ...50s BC  on the chart
comes from. How else is 3200 BP going to equal 1250 BC !
See how in public they will present any lie that they know they
dare not make in a convention.

Simply these people have no respect for the scholastic work
of Damon and Long and Grey and Suess and Ralph and Michael
in 1966 and 1967. And Christina dares to jump to claiming these
are fanatic bible scholars. Yet the scholastic system does NOTHING
to purge their schools of such boastful liars who will attack their
own scholars to fight a "fundmentalist"......I am amazed that lesbians have
no need for dictionaries being so well equipped to throw words.

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