From aga@dhp.com Wed Feb 5 17:30:08 1997 Return-Path: aga@dhp.com Received: from dhp.com (dhp.com [199.245.105.1]) by symcom.math.uiuc.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA18911 for ; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:30:03 -0600 (CST) Received: from dhp.com (dhp.com [199.245.105.1]) by dhp.com (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA24617; Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:30:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:30:00 -0500 (EST) From: aga To: Tim Skirvin , postmaster@uiuc.edu, abuse@uiuc.edu cc: Steve Boursy , postmaster@dhp.com, postmaster@ziplink.net, boursy@dhp.com, drg@ziplink.net Subject: Net Abuse by Tim Skirvin of uiuc In-Reply-To: <199702051538.JAA13497@symcom.math.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR postmaster@uiuc: This is a report of net-abuse by Tim Skirvin, a Student at uiuc. On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Tim Skirvin wrote: > I am a co-moderator of news.admin.net-abuse.policy. Two of your > users, John Grubor and Steve Boursy, have been forging approvals for their > messages in my newsgroup. While I have cancelled these messages as they > have appeared, I would be much happier if this abusive practice were to > stop immediately. > It is not your newsgroup little boy, and nobody is going to listen to a 19 year old censorous punk like you. You do NOT get any right to censor any newsgroups with your phony "moderator" status. > Please stop your users from forging approvals to my newsgroups (or > any others, for that matter). Thank you. > > (Evidence enclosed.) > > - Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu) > Co-Moderator, news.admin.net-abuse.policy > -- > Skirv's Homepage <*> > The Dungeon > This kid has been a nuisance on the net for years now, and tomorrow we will call uiuc about this matter. This alleged "moderation" is just plain censorship and the netizens will NOT stand for this. This crap is net abuse by Tim Skirvin here, and we are not going to stand for this "moderation" as a guise for censorship, or these frivolous complaints. Now just who is in charge of this kid at that uiuc college there? aga administrator Law Systems Institute lsi@pgh.org > -- > Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail > From: Aga > Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,misc.legal,alt.wired,news.admin.censorship > Subject: Re: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite (and other) problems > Date: 4 Feb 1997 08:42:47 GMT > Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) > Lines: 60 > Approved: usenet@pgh.org > Message-ID: <5d6sq7$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> > References: <5cca4s$6je@news.orst.edu> > NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com > X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] > Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:961 misc.legal:203856 alt.wired:61068 news.admin.censorship:28927 > > John Stanley wrote: > : In article , > : Ralph lindberg wrote: > : > The FAQ for one of the groups (rec.outdoors.rv-travel) they are making > : >this offer for, has a copywrite that specificly forbids selling copies of > : >the FAQ for profit. > > : Well, let's ask this question: does UUNET transport the FAQ? The last > : time I looked, they were a for-profit operation. > > And the biggest problem on Usenet right now; but that will soon change. > > : > It's also possible they have violated other peoples copywrite's in this > : >effort. I know some people place copywrite statements directly on each > : >post. > > : Yep. Funny how people will put copyright notices on their works and then > : deliberately violate their own copyright in a way that makes it > : worthless. > > : >While others assume all posts are copywriten. > > : All works are copyrighted. > > That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard of. You know, it > is so strange seeing you people talk like you know something abou tthe > Law, when you really do not. The law says that NOTHING on the Inetrnet > can be "copyright" when it is just an e-mail or a newsgroup posting. > > Just STOP these old stupid ideas thinking that anything is "copyright" > after you send it. Once you press that "send" button, you lose all > rights to that works forever. > > : > >To my knowledge the > : >issue of copywrites and Usenet posting has never been addressed in any > : >court. > > That is because nobody would ever be that stupid as to ask a Court to > enforce a "copyright" for a useless item. You would get laughed out of > court. > > : Nope, and you don't want it to be. The result won't be pretty. If it > : ever gets to court, it means that someone who has lots of money want > : USENET to stop doing what it does. They will win. > > Usenet will stop diong what it does, and little 19 year old boys will > NOT continue to censor this place. > > : The best that may happen is the appearance of another X-header that > : says "fuck the 9th circuit court", to be inserted right below the one > : about the US Congress. > > : > An additional issue I thought of while working on this post is if this > : >firm honored the no-archive header while preparing this CD-ROM. I suspect > : >this could incur additional complications for their plans. > > : No, actually, if they honor that header, things would go better. > > Things will only go better when ALL "moderated" newsgroups are removed. > > -- > Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.232.240.5!news.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail > From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) > Newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.censorship > Subject: Re: Naughty, naughty... > Followup-To: alt.wired,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.censorship > Date: 4 Feb 1997 10:45:58 -0500 > Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP > Lines: 52 > Approved: usenet@pgh.org > Message-ID: <5d7ljm$i39$1@zip1.ziplink.net> > References: <5apke4$alu@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5aru60$m72@library.airnews.net> <5b2t4m$f4j@stronghold.dhp.com> <5b7cg8$12k@library.airnews.net> <5bckuk$foi@library.airnews.net> <5bo1mv$4o7@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> <32e2baf1.13224614@206.24.41.26> <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d1ehu$di@panix3.panix.com> <5d2nf1$3um@stronghold.dhp.com> > NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net > X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] > Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu alt.wired:61088 alt.censorship:169820 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:975 news.admin.censorship:28944 > > In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Aga wrote: > > Seth Breidbart wrote: > > > : In article <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com>, Aga > > forged > > : approval to news.admin.net-abuse.policy: > > Nothing is forged boy. You know who did it. > > > : [garbage deleted] > > Censorship, pure and simple. > > > : The proper folks to complain to are dhp.com and lm.com > > The posting of "proper persons to complain to" lists is a criminal offense > of Conspiracy to conduct harassment by communications. > > panix.com will be closed down if Seth Breidbart does this one more time. > Our Lawyers have already contacted them. > > > : Maybe they'll take real action this time. > > > : Seth > > > The "real action" is going to be if anybody bothers any of those guys, > > and the "real action" will be a Lawsuit against whoever does the > > complaining. > > And possibly a Criminal action, also. Conspiracy to commit harassment may > be a minor offense, but it is an offense. > > > ANY complaints to any administrators concerning UseNet(tm) are > > hereafter considered "harassment by communication" and if just > > ONE of the above parties reports any "complaints" to me, then > > heads WILL roll. > > > No 19 year old punk like Tim Skirvin is going to "moderate" any > > newsgroup and get away with it. I run an UNCENSORED Usenet from > > now on, and I sue you in Federal Court if you try to "censor" it, > > and "moderation" is considered censorship., > > > Now Seth, just learn the new rules of usenet: > > NO "moderated" news.* hierarchy newsgroups are permitted. > > > > Dr. John Grubor, Esq. > > Official UseNet(tm) Administration > > usenet@pgh.org > > The Federal law of harassment applies to e-mail only. > > -- > Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail > From: boursy@dhp.com (boursy) > Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,misc.legal,alt.wired,alt.god.grubor,news.admin.policy,alt.firefly.mailing-lists,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.cyberspace > Subject: Pending Operation Was: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite ... > Date: 4 Feb 1997 19:52:16 -0500 > Lines: 64 > Approved: oh yes > Message-ID: <5d8lk0$geh@dhp.com> > References: <5d6tdu$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> > Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.censorship:28969 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:992 misc.legal:203944 alt.wired:61129 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:54347 alt.cyberspace:40630 > > Aga wrote: > > > >Seth Breidbart wrote: > >: > >: John Stanley wrote: > > > >:>Yep. Funny how people will put copyright notices on their works and then > >:>deliberately violate their own copyright in a way that makes it > >:>worthless. > > > >: You _cannot_ violate your own copyright. > > > >: Anyway, the copyrights on most Usenet postings are inherently > >: worthless (because nobody is willing to pay to publish them in the > >: first place), but if I were to post something that someone later > >: wanted to publish, they'd still require my permissionn. > > > That's just plain silly Seth. Your posts are in DejaNews > and AltaVista as well as other archieves--you can buy entire > newsgroups on CD Rom--none of which have or need the posters > permission--if you don't like that you really shouldn't be > engaging in the public forum like this. > > > > >Seth: The next time that you publish any list of > >"who to complain to," then we are going to file a lawsuit against > >both you and panix com -- or maybe just have you arrested for > >"harassment by communications" with a Federal warrant. > > > Indeed--and if he forbids publications will of > course publish it. Seth is a long time harasser of > users he disagrees with--a censor pure and simple. > > > >You are not going to get away with your shit any longer. > > > Well--the little shit sends out so many complaints > that even the less than scrupulous ISPs that do censor > their users pay him no mind. He's just frustrated > trying to raise funds for his penile implant--maybe we > should just give the poor guy the money. > > > >The posting of "who to complain to" lists is a conspiracy to commit > >harassment by communication, and it will be prosecuted. > > I think it might be more effective to get his > mothers address and forward the complaints to her in > the same frequency. Hell--maybe she'll even pay for > his implant. > > Steve > news.admin.censorship > > > > > >Dr. John Grubor, Esq. > >by:aga.bot/telnet > >UseNet(tm) Freedom Council >