Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,misc.legal,alt.wired,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite (and other) problems Date: 4 Feb 1997 08:42:47 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 60 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d6sq7$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5cca4s$6je@news.orst.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:961 misc.legal:203856 alt.wired:61068 news.admin.censorship:28927 John Stanley wrote: : In article , : Ralph lindberg wrote: : > The FAQ for one of the groups (rec.outdoors.rv-travel) they are making : >this offer for, has a copywrite that specificly forbids selling copies of : >the FAQ for profit. : Well, let's ask this question: does UUNET transport the FAQ? The last : time I looked, they were a for-profit operation. And the biggest problem on Usenet right now; but that will soon change. : > It's also possible they have violated other peoples copywrite's in this : >effort. I know some people place copywrite statements directly on each : >post. : Yep. Funny how people will put copyright notices on their works and then : deliberately violate their own copyright in a way that makes it : worthless. : >While others assume all posts are copywriten. : All works are copyrighted. That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard of. You know, it is so strange seeing you people talk like you know something abou tthe Law, when you really do not. The law says that NOTHING on the Inetrnet can be "copyright" when it is just an e-mail or a newsgroup posting. Just STOP these old stupid ideas thinking that anything is "copyright" after you send it. Once you press that "send" button, you lose all rights to that works forever. : >To my knowledge the : >issue of copywrites and Usenet posting has never been addressed in any : >court. That is because nobody would ever be that stupid as to ask a Court to enforce a "copyright" for a useless item. You would get laughed out of court. : Nope, and you don't want it to be. The result won't be pretty. If it : ever gets to court, it means that someone who has lots of money want : USENET to stop doing what it does. They will win. Usenet will stop diong what it does, and little 19 year old boys will NOT continue to censor this place. : The best that may happen is the appearance of another X-header that : says "fuck the 9th circuit court", to be inserted right below the one : about the US Congress. : > An additional issue I thought of while working on this post is if this : >firm honored the no-archive header while preparing this CD-ROM. I suspect : >this could incur additional complications for their plans. : No, actually, if they honor that header, things would go better. Things will only go better when ALL "moderated" newsgroups are removed. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.232.240.5!news.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: alt.wired,news.admin.censorship,alt.censorship,news.admin.misc,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.net-abuse.policy Subject: Re: "Moderated" newsgroups are Illegal Censorship Date: 4 Feb 1997 10:57:30 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 30 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d7m9a$ier$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5apke4$alu@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5aru60$m72@library.airnews.net> <5b2t4m$f4j@stronghold.dhp.com> <5b7cg8$12k@library.airnews.net> <5bckuk$foi@library.airnews.net> <5bo1mv$4o7@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> <32e2baf1.13224614@206.24.41.26> <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d1ehu$di@panix3.panix.com> <5d2ko4$2vq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5d51d0$cmg@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d6q43$c91@ns2.amug.org> <5d6vsj$kks$2@gruvel.une.edu.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu alt.wired:61090 news.admin.censorship:28945 alt.censorship:169821 news.admin.misc:72858 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:977 In news.admin.net-abuse.policy David Bromage wrote: > Todd C. Lawson (tlawson@amug.org) wrote: > > > > So you are behind the times. > >In article <5d51d0$cmg@stronghold.dhp.com> > >Aga writes: > > > >> UseNet is PUBLIC property, and any "moderated" newsgroups shall > >> now be done away with. > > > >Ah yes, President Clinton made it a national monument in southern Utah > >by executive order yesterday. It's official title is "UseNet National > >Monument". Please refer to it as such in all future mentions of it. > And in a late update, Bill Gates will be building a bigger monument at his > new mansion. > Cheers > David Just be sure he includes DrG,Esq. as the General Operations Director on the Monument. And maybe you should change the name to GruBoursy Net(tm) -DrG,Esq. UseNet(tm) Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,misc.legal,alt.wired,alt.god.grubor,news.admin.policy,alt.firefly.mailing-lists,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.cyberspace Subject: Re: Pending Operation Was: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite ... Date: 5 Feb 1997 15:43:56 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 72 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5da9rs$dle@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5d6tdu$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d8lk0$geh@dhp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.censorship:28999 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1008 misc.legal:203992 alt.wired:61161 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:54482 alt.cyberspace:40650 boursy wrote: : Aga wrote: : > : >Seth Breidbart wrote: : >: : >: John Stanley wrote: : > : >:>Yep. Funny how people will put copyright notices on their works and then : >:>deliberately violate their own copyright in a way that makes it : >:>worthless. : > : >: You _cannot_ violate your own copyright. : > : >: Anyway, the copyrights on most Usenet postings are inherently : >: worthless (because nobody is willing to pay to publish them in the : >: first place), but if I were to post something that someone later : >: wanted to publish, they'd still require my permissionn. : That's just plain silly Seth. Your posts are in DejaNews : and AltaVista as well as other archieves--you can buy entire : newsgroups on CD Rom--none of which have or need the posters : permission--if you don't like that you really shouldn't be : engaging in the public forum like this. : >Seth: The next time that you publish any list of : >"who to complain to," then we are going to file a lawsuit against : >both you and panix com -- or maybe just have you arrested for : >"harassment by communications" with a Federal warrant. : Indeed--and if he forbids publications will of : course publish it. Seth is a long time harasser of : users he disagrees with--a censor pure and simple. very true. : >You are not going to get away with your shit any longer. : Well--the little shit sends out so many complaints : that even the less than scrupulous ISPs that do censor : their users pay him no mind. He's just frustrated : trying to raise funds for his penile implant--maybe we : should just give the poor guy the money. He and Skirvin remind me ov each other. : >The posting of "who to complain to" lists is a conspiracy to commit : >harassment by communication, and it will be prosecuted. : I think it might be more effective to get his : mothers address and forward the complaints to her in : the same frequency. Hell--maybe she'll even pay for : his implant. : Steve : news.admin.censorship : > : >Dr. John Grubor, Esq. : >by:aga.bot/telnet : >UseNet(tm) Freedom Council Anytime Skirvin cancels, he gets canceled twofold. The little shit is not going to get away with the dilusion of any "moderated" newsgroup any longer. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!insync!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.firefly.mailing-lists,alt.usenet.kooks,alt.spam,alt.genius.bill-palmer,alt.god.grubor,alt.flame,aus.flame,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,alt.anal,alt.stupidity,alt.culture.usenet Subject: Re: Critical Evaluation of "Louse-monkey John" Hausmann Date: 23 Feb 1997 13:32:30 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 49 Approved: boursy@dhp.com Message-ID: <5epgte$op1@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5eg1s7$d4n@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> <330ea009.15879488@news.microserve.net> <330D14FF.20DF@earthlink.net> <5ejs8i$qv3@dfw-ixnews7.ix.netcom.com> <330E06D4.7EE6@bayou.uh.edu> <330F0139.618F@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.censorship:30035 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1188 alt.usenet.kooks:49932 alt.flame:362596 aus.flame:46779 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:57058 alt.stupidity:95592 alt.culture.usenet:27933 QUICKLY! COPY this Article and REPLY to the whole thing! ...as they will try and CANCEL this Article for content. Good ISPs Do NOT honor any cancelations of UseNet Articles. ISP_Ratings wrote: : ectocus neilus wrote: : > : > Bill Palmer wrote: : >> : >> : >> I judge you, John Hausmann, to be a stale piss stain that : >> crawled off an unwashed toilet seat and then slithered : >> away before anyone could step on you and put you out of : >> your misery. : I'd agree with that assessment--sums him up nicely. Indeed! : >> : >> copyright FLAME GIANT : >> : >> On Wordscreens of the World : > : > Palmjob , every continued anal reference you make makes it more : >likely you will be picked up and taken to be examined for insanity. : >This is not meant to be a joke. : One could easily argue that your obsessive interest in him : is anal in nature sir. : > Get a grip on yourself soon before you are, in the jargon of : >Pennsylvania, 302ed , i.e. committed for intense psychiatric : >observation. You are loosing it, bub ! : > : > Andrew Walcott Beckwith It is very tough to get a 302, almost impossible for an adversary. : Oh--you wouldn't be bothering with him if you really felt : that way Andrew. He is just jealous of Palmer, that's all. : Steve : news.admin.censorship Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.232.240.7!kayrad.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.webgod,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.policy,news.admin.censorship,alt.censorship,news.groups,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Care to explain yourself, Stan? Date: 28 Feb 1997 06:39:21 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 27 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5f6g59$jlt$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5f1tr2$l13@wilbur.ohww.norman.ok.us> <5f219k$af6$2@news1.exit109.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1278 news.admin.censorship:30326 alt.censorship:172496 news.groups:252872 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:57513 In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Jeremy wrote: > Lizz Braver wrote: > >Or am I misunderstanding what Stan has been doing? Stan is lying and cancelling and soon going to be arrested, we hope. > The problem I have with it is that I don't *know* what Stan is doing. I > might agree with and support the criteria he is using for his UDPs, but I > don't know what they are, and I don't recall anyone agreeing on them. Stan Kalish III is soon going to be arrested for his UDPs > So, now that we're in .policy, just when is a UDP on an individual > warranted? Never. > -- > Jeremy | jeremy@exit109.com > "Never tell me the odds." --Han Solo And NO 3rd party cancelation is EVER warranted. Time to get Stan Kalish III into Federal Court. -DrG,Esq. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!ameritech.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.232.240.7!kayrad.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.webgod,news.admin.censorship,alt.wired Subject: Problem Stan Kalish III/was test: Date: 28 Feb 1997 06:34:16 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 15 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5f6fro$jad$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5f3f9d$ic7@crl6.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1277 news.admin.censorship:30325 alt.wired:62320 In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Stan Kalisch III wrote: > Please ignore this test--someone has caused the local news server to > go insane. You probably did it yourself, with all of your forged cancelations. > Sorry. :( You had better stop trying to be a censor and canceling people's articles, or your ISP may end up in Court, and you will -REALLY- be sorry then. -DrG,Esq. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.232.240.7!kayrad.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,news.admin.censorship,alt.webgod,alt.censorship Subject: Re: What can be done about threats of violence? Date: 28 Feb 1997 06:50:00 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 32 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5f6gp8$keg$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <01bc232f$40862720$090b1881@jgkmn> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1279 news.admin.censorship:30327 alt.censorship:172498 In news.admin.net-abuse.policy "Langhorne Carter Bond" wrote: > Over the past two years, the participants of alt.support.attn-deficit have > been harassed by Tim Brown(bathroom@iglou.com). We, the participants of > alt.support.attn-deficit, have written litteraly hundred of letters to > Iglou.Com about this man's harrassment. Not a single damn reply. Recently, > this Iglou.Com subscriber has escalated his threatenes, from insults to > violence. When, after two years of harrassment, we suggested that maybe Tim > Brown owed it to us to participate, at at least talk about himself, Tim > Brown(bathroom@iglou.com) wrote the following: > Listen here you goddamn New Mexico cactus-head, I don't owe you a damn > thing. I hope you come to Kentucky, so we can drag you behind a tow truck > down U.S. 27. Then we'll feed you to horses. > -- > bathroom@iglou.com http://members.iglou.com/bathroom The Last Word > THE U.S. IS A RIGHT-WING DICTATORSHIP -- REVOLT! > Annoy a fascist -- Say no to public school uniforms! > *** TIM BROWN FOR CONGRESS '98 *** > This threat can be viewed on alt.support.attn-deficit at this very moment. > Feel free to check the validity of my claim. Also, according to this man's > web page, he has a history of mental instability. Is their anything that > can be done about this? We have made Iglou.Com aware of Mr. Brown's recent > threats of violence, yet once again, not a single damn reply. > Langhorne Bond That is not any threat of violence. Are you trying to censor the guy or what? What he 'hopes' is irrelevant. -DrG,Esq. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!news.thenet.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,alt.webgod,misc.legal Subject: Re: alt.xxx Groups (was Content Based Cancels Date: 5 Mar 1997 11:54:46 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 45 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5fjmu6$dm5@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <330A83F8.7892@mx.parliament.govt.nz> <5f2qh0$3tn@news.orst.edu> <5f7lpq$d7l@news.orst.edu> <5fa4dl$b7s@augusta.math.psu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1333 misc.legal:207249 QUICKLY! Copy and repost this Article, before the faggot Dave Barr cancels it! Are you still mo;esting thse little boys Dave, like you used to do? : Tung-chiang Yang wrote: : Then what should we do if an alt.xxx group does not have a charter and : interested people want to erect a charter for it? Where are : alt.xxx charters stored? All "charters" for newsgroups are illegal. All cancels are also illegal as they are "wire fraud." : You should remember there are several "FAQ" for news.admin.net-abuse.misc, so : technically *anyone* can write up a charter for an alt.xxx group unless : the charter went through some discussion phase and get stored in some : "official" site like UUnet. : ============================================ : Dave Barr (barr@math.psu.edu) wrote: : : In article , : : Tung-chiang Yang wrote: : : >Because alt.xxx groups do not have a justified law (group charter) to : : Wrong. alt groups can have charters which are just as legitimate : : as Big 8 groups. Bullshit! NO newsgroups are allowed to have "charters" which get enforced. UseNet is PUBLIC property, and we are going to eliminate all cancels with a Federal Court action very soon. : : --Dave Dave boy, you are very shortly going to be a Defendant in a BIG legal case against you and the ISC and every ISP who uses INN, that we want to include in the Caption. I can not wait to cross-examine your faggot ass on the witness stand. Remember boy, I am coming to get you with the Sheriff. And I will sue the shit out of you and Penn State for decades. It is coming boy... -DrG,Esq. by aga.bot.telnet Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!uunet!in3.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.webgod,alt.usenet.admin,news.groups,news.admin.censorship,alt.wired Subject: Re: BI successor proposition Date: 5 Mar 1997 11:44:23 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 35 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5fjman$dm5@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5fhhn2$2me@rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1332 news.groups:253984 news.admin.censorship:30667 alt.wired:62635 Felix Schroeter wrote: : Hello! : AFAIK, there are ongoing discussions on a successor of the BI and/or : BI2. : I have a suggestion too: : XI = the sum over all instances of the posting of sqrt(ng * fup) : where ng is the number of the newsgroups the instance is crossposted : to, and fup is the number of newsgroups to which the Followup-To header : points (if not present, fup = ng). : This proposition penalizes crosspostings without followup-to (in : comparison to BI), but doesn't penalize crosspostings, if followups : are restricted to one (or *few* newsgroups). : Opinions? Go away and stop trying to limit people's crosspostings. : Regards, Felix. Limiting crosspostings is an Illegal interference with Freedom of Speech, and could get a POP killed. From now on, anybody who cancels articles will have a SYN and a Maloc attack launched against their ISP from a dozen locations. You stop ALL content canceling at ONCE! You have been warned. -meow brigade Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!tezcat!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: pgh Newsgroups: misc.legal,news.groups,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.censorship,news.admin.censorship,alt.wired,alt.webgod Subject: Re: Pointers to cancelled binaries Date: 19 Mar 1997 14:02:18 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 28 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5gorla$8ld@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5fhhn2$2me@rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> <5g4b4m$4u8@news.orst.edu> <5g7g7i$amf@news.orst.edu> <5gor95$8c6@stronghold.dhp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu misc.legal:209072 news.groups:256831 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1474 alt.censorship:175088 news.admin.censorship:31682 alt.wired:63502 QUICKLY! Copy and repost this Article, before it is cancelled by the censors! This Article will probably be gone before you get back here again, because Skirvin has autoresponder reflectors set up to a NCM thread with Lewis. Aga wrote: : John Stanley wrote: : : In article , : : Richard E. Depew wrote: : : > Yup. That's the difference between those who are willing to pitch : : >in and help and those who just wring their germ-free hands and wail to : : >the sky. Guess which approach is more effective. : : This happy plattitude ignores just what "help" is being given by those : : dirty little hands, and whether that activity is proper in the first place. : It is not proper. But of course, most everything that Lewis and Skirvin : do is not proper. : : Of course, those who do unethical things love to see others join them. : : They think it makes what they are doing correct. : And no hands could be more dirty, or actions unethical, when it comes to : evaluating Chris Lewis's and Tim Skirvin's censorship. : This net-abuse portrayed as "moderation" is going to soon end. amen Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!portc02.blue.aol.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!bb3.andrew.cmu.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,misc.legal,alt.wired,alt.god.grubor,news.admin.policy,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose Subject: Re: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite (and other) problems Date: 4 Feb 1997 08:53:18 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 30 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d6tdu$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com Reference: <5cca4s$6je@news.orst.edu> <5cjhll$amr@panix3.panix.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.censorship:28929 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:962 misc.legal:203857 alt.wired:61069 alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:54206 Seth Breidbart wrote: : In article <5cca4s$6je@news.orst.edu>, : John Stanley wrote: : >Yep. Funny how people will put copyright notices on their works and then : >deliberately violate their own copyright in a way that makes it : >worthless. : You _cannot_ violate your own copyright. : Anyway, the copyrights on most Usenet postings are inherently : worthless (because nobody is willing to pay to publish them in the : first place), but if I were to post something that someone later : wanted to publish, they'd still require my permissionn. : Seth Seth: The next time that you publish any list of "who to complain to," then we are going to file a lawsuit against both you and panix com -- or maybe just have you arrested for "harassment by communications" with a Federal warrant. You are not going to get away with your shit any longer. The posting of "who to complain to" lists is a conspiracy to commit harassment by communication, and it will be prosecuted. Dr. John Grubor, Esq. by:aga.bot/telnet UseNet(tm) Freedom Council Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite (and other) problems Date: 4 Feb 1997 09:03:55 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 48 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d6u1r$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <6PjQQozzcsB@khms.westfalen.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:964 news.admin.censorship:28930 Kai Henningsen wrote: : rlindberg@kendaco.telebyte.com.REMOVE.THIS.TO.REPLY (Ralph lindberg) wrote on 23.01.97 in : : > The FAQ for one of the groups (rec.outdoors.rv-travel) they are making : > this offer for, has a copywrite that specificly forbids selling copies of : > the FAQ for profit. So far I don't know -if- they have included the FAQ in : > the CD-ROM, they have not gotten back to me yet. (I'm the FAQ maintainer) : Umm. Usenet access is sold for profit all over the planet. If you consider : a Usenet that includes your FAQ a violation, then obviously, so is a : Usenet feed - but you put your FAQ in that feed yourself. : Also, Usenet feeds are not limited to particular media, so such a CD could : easily be considered a Usenet feed. In which case you'd have even less to : stand on. : It certainly doesn't look to me as if you have anything enforcable there - : but then, I'm not a lawyer; who knows what perverted ideas they could get : to stick? : > It's also possible The perverted ideas are all ofthese people thinking that they actually can "copyright" something which is published to usenet. they have violated other peoples copywrite's in this : > effort. I know some people place copywrite statements directly on each : > post. While others assume all posts are copywriten. To my knowledge the : > issue of copywrites and Usenet posting has never been addressed in any : > court. : Actually, I think this may be irrelevant to this question. The person to : sue is the person who caused the article in question to enter Usenet - : that is, usually, the very same person that would do the suing, the : article author. Do you really want to sue yourself? : Now, if someone makes a seriously hand-edited version of Usenet, then it : can obviously no longer be considered a feed. In that case, the questions : about copyright become relevant again - and how much is fair use. However, : this doesn't seem to be the case here. Just forget "copyright" entirely. It is vfery clear here that most everybody has a BAD understanding of what the "law" is here. There is NO copyright on anything in usenet. PERIOD! case closed Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!worldnet.att.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.god.grubor,news.admin.censorship,alt.usenet.admin Subject: Re: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite (and other) problems Date: 4 Feb 1997 09:08:05 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 44 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d6u9l$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5cca4s$6je@news.orst.edu> <5cjhll$amr@panix3.panix.com> <5cm67b$9bf@panix3.panix.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:965 news.admin.censorship:28931 Seth Breidbart wrote: : In article , : Ralph Lindberg & Ellen Winnie wrote: : >This FAQ is Copyright (C) 1996 by Ralph Lindberg and the members of the : >UseNet community for : >their individual contributions. All rights reserved. Permission is hereby : >granted to use, copy and : >redistribute this FAQ in whole or part by any means for any purpose so long : >the following conditions : >are met: : >1 - The distribution is not done for profit. : That lets out Panix, which charges money for access in order to make a : profit. : >2 - The distributed portion of the document is not modified. : Again leaving out Usenet, each site of which changes the Path: : header. : >4 - If the copy is imbedded in any publication (Print, CD-ROM etc.) one : >copy must be delivered to : >author's free of charge. : It's not clear whether that would disinclude Usenet or not. : >While it could be argued that they aren't making much of a profit ($35/CD), : >they also haven't replied to my query about if the CD-ROM included the FAQ : >or other material under copyright. : If they include entire newsgroups, I'd say it's just another form of : Usenet propagation. If they select postings, then it's an edited : publication and they need permission. : Seth You are full of shit, Seth and you know NOTHING about the Law. It is jerks like you who have been around for years that have really fucked up usenet, with your lack of knowledge of the law. Go back to math and let the Lawyers run UseNet(tm) as they are supposed to do. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: Aga Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,news.admin.censorship,alt.censorship,alt.usenet.admin,alt.firefly.mailing-lists,alt.ethics,news.admin.net-abuse.misc,alt.fan.speedbump,alt.motherjones,alt.cyberspace,alt.god.grubor,alt.wired Subject: NEVER chop headers/was:Set those followups correctly Date: 4 Feb 1997 09:31:36 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 43 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d6vlo$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <5crf24$6n6@boursy.news.erols.com> <32F14834.4703@earthlink.net> <5ct556$nn1@web.nmti.com> <32F350F7.2052@earthlink.net> <5d1hlv$d9o@teal.csn.net> <32F55C82.1F23@earthlink.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:966 news.admin.censorship:28932 alt.censorship:169807 news.admin.net-abuse.misc:182012 alt.fan.speedbump:2756 alt.cyberspace:40612 alt.wired:61070 chopping newsgroup headers is a cowardly act that only perverted people do. ISP_Ratings wrote: : Bruce Ediger wrote: : > : > ISP_Ratings wrote: : > : >> A newsgroup is not an individual--most readers are lurkers and : >>a newsgroup is and becomes whatever its present users want it to : >>be. : > : > You and your "Freedom Knights" have never really reconciled this : > sort of statement with a known problem: Tyranny of the Majority. : And how is that? Are you now claiming we're in the majority? I : don't think anything along that line is clear at all--what is clear : and not open for debate is that a majority of users on usenet are : new and it is they--not some old farts from yesteryear--that define : and will be defining usenet cultures. The old farts can take their : precious FAQ's and offer them--they can't force them on people as : they are merely personal opinions all users are free to accept or : reject--in whole or in part. : : > It's easily possible for the majority to shout down a minority : > viewpoint. The majority viewpoint can be wrong and evil. There : > have been many recorded examples of this problem throughout history. : I fully agree. All viewpoints must be protected on usenet--everyone : has an absolute right to post as they please, when they please, where : they please. It's not the shouting that's the problem--it's when : you've got a small gang of thugs who've appointed themselves as : net.cops and try to stop this free expression that their is a problem. : Now the next time you follow up on one of my posts--as a simple matter : of decency--please set your followups to include the groups you just : posted to--nothing worse than someone who wants to have the last word. : Steve : news.admin.censorship amen Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!199.232.240.5!news.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.censorship,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: Naughty, naughty... Followup-To: alt.wired,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.censorship Date: 4 Feb 1997 10:45:58 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 52 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d7ljm$i39$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5apke4$alu@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5aru60$m72@library.airnews.net> <5b2t4m$f4j@stronghold.dhp.com> <5b7cg8$12k@library.airnews.net> <5bckuk$foi@library.airnews.net> <5bo1mv$4o7@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> <32e2baf1.13224614@206.24.41.26> <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d1ehu$di@panix3.panix.com> <5d2nf1$3um@stronghold.dhp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu alt.wired:61088 alt.censorship:169820 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:975 news.admin.censorship:28944 In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Aga wrote: > Seth Breidbart wrote: > : In article <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com>, Aga > forged > : approval to news.admin.net-abuse.policy: Nothing is forged boy. You know who did it. > : [garbage deleted] Censorship, pure and simple. > : The proper folks to complain to are dhp.com and lm.com The posting of "proper persons to complain to" lists is a criminal offense of Conspiracy to conduct harassment by communications. panix.com will be closed down if Seth Breidbart does this one more time. Our Lawyers have already contacted them. > : Maybe they'll take real action this time. > : Seth > The "real action" is going to be if anybody bothers any of those guys, > and the "real action" will be a Lawsuit against whoever does the > complaining. And possibly a Criminal action, also. Conspiracy to commit harassment may be a minor offense, but it is an offense. > ANY complaints to any administrators concerning UseNet(tm) are > hereafter considered "harassment by communication" and if just > ONE of the above parties reports any "complaints" to me, then > heads WILL roll. > No 19 year old punk like Tim Skirvin is going to "moderate" any > newsgroup and get away with it. I run an UNCENSORED Usenet from > now on, and I sue you in Federal Court if you try to "censor" it, > and "moderation" is considered censorship., > Now Seth, just learn the new rules of usenet: > NO "moderated" news.* hierarchy newsgroups are permitted. > Dr. John Grubor, Esq. > Official UseNet(tm) Administration > usenet@pgh.org The Federal law of harassment applies to e-mail only. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!199.232.240.5!news.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,misc.legal,alt.wired,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: Usenet groups on CD-ROM, possible copywrite (and other) problems Date: 4 Feb 1997 10:27:25 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 69 Approved: boursy@ziplink.net Message-ID: <5d7kgt$hfk$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5cca4s$6je@news.orst.edu> <5d6sq7$k3@stronghold.dhp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:972 misc.legal:203880 alt.wired:61085 news.admin.censorship:28941 In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Aga wrote: > John Stanley wrote: > : In article , > : Ralph lindberg wrote: > : > The FAQ for one of the groups (rec.outdoors.rv-travel) they are making > : >this offer for, has a copywrite that specificly forbids selling copies of > : >the FAQ for profit. > : Well, let's ask this question: does UUNET transport the FAQ? The last > : time I looked, they were a for-profit operation. > And the biggest problem on Usenet right now; but that will soon change. > : > It's also possible they have violated other peoples copywrite's in this > : >effort. I know some people place copywrite statements directly on each > : >post. > : Yep. Funny how people will put copyright notices on their works and then > : deliberately violate their own copyright in a way that makes it > : worthless. > : >While others assume all posts are copywriten. > : All works are copyrighted. > That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard of. You know, it > is so strange seeing you people talk like you know something about the > Law, when you really do not. The law says that NOTHING on the Internet > can be "copyright" when it is just an e-mail or a newsgroup posting. > Just STOP these old stupid ideas thinking that anything is "copyright" > after you send it. Once you press that "send" button, you lose all > rights to that works forever. > : > >To my knowledge the > : >issue of copywrites and Usenet posting has never been addressed in any > : >court. > That is because nobody would ever be that stupid as to ask a Court to > enforce a "copyright" for a useless item. You would get laughed out of > court. > : Nope, and you don't want it to be. The result won't be pretty. If it > : ever gets to court, it means that someone who has lots of money want > : USENET to stop doing what it does. They will win. > Usenet will stop doing what it does, and little 19 year old boys will > NOT continue to censor this place. > : The best that may happen is the appearance of another X-header that > : says "fuck the 9th circuit court", to be inserted right below the one > : about the US Congress. How about fuck Timmy boy Skirvin, huh? > : > An additional issue I thought of while working on this post is if this > : >firm honored the no-archive header while preparing this CD-ROM. I suspect > : >this could incur additional complications for their plans. > : No, actually, if they honor that header, things would go better. > Things will only go better when ALL "moderated" newsgroups are removed. All "Moderated" newsgroups are censorship, and will now be removed by a Court Injunction, if necessary. -DrG,Esq. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!nanap From: John Grubor Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy Subject: Re: "Moderated" newsgroups are Illegal Censorship Date: 4 Feb 1997 15:35:37 GMT Organization: Auto-Moderation Bot, v0.99a Lines: 31 Approved: nanap-req@ravenna.com Message-ID: <5d7krn$hm5$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5apke4$alu@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5aru60$m72@library.airnews.net> <5b2t4m$f4j@stronghold.dhp.com> <5b7cg8$12k@library.airnews.net> <5bckuk$foi@library.airnews.net> <5bo1mv$4o7@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> <32e2baf1.13224614@206.24.41.26> <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d1ehu$di@panix3.panix.com> <5d2ko4$2vq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5d51d0$cmg@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d6q43$c91@ns2.amug.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: symcom.math.uiuc.edu X-Submissions-To: nanap-sub@ravenna.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] X-Original-Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Originator: tskirvin@symcom.math.uiuc.edu In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Todd C. Lawson wrote: > Then you had better request it. > In article <5d51d0$cmg@stronghold.dhp.com> > Aga writes: > > UseNet is PUBLIC property, and any "moderated" newsgroups shall > > now be done away with. > Ah yes, President Clinton made it a national monument in southern Utah > by executive order yesterday. It's official title is "UseNet National > Monument". Please refer to it as such in all future mentions of it. The UseNet(tm) is run by the Usenet Freedom Council, so Clinton has nothing to do with it. > Twit. > T > === > Todd C. Lawson - Starving ASU Law Student - Tempe, Arizona > FAQ Maintainer - alt.fan.sandra-bullock > Read the FAQ at http://www.amug.org/~tlawson/sandyfaq.html Whoever canceled those articles is going to PAY for it. -DrG,Esq. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!199.232.240.5!news.ziplink.net!zip1.ziplink.net!not-for-mail From: drg@ziplink.net (John Grubor) Newsgroups: alt.god.grubor,alt.fan.karl-malden.nose,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,news.groups,alt.usenet.admin,alt.wired,soc.culture.usa,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: "Moderated" newsgroups are Illegal Censorship Date: 4 Feb 1997 10:38:21 -0500 Organization: ZipLink -- America's Hottest ISP Lines: 36 Approved: usenet@pgh.org Message-ID: <5d7l5d$hrb$1@zip1.ziplink.net> References: <5apke4$alu@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> <5aru60$m72@library.airnews.net> <5b2t4m$f4j@stronghold.dhp.com> <5b7cg8$12k@library.airnews.net> <5bckuk$foi@library.airnews.net> <5bo1mv$4o7@nnrp2.farm.idt.net> <32e2baf1.13224614@206.24.41.26> <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com> <5d1ehu$di@panix3.panix.com> <5d2ko4$2vq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <5d51d0$cmg@stronghold.dhp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: zip1.ziplink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 961203] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu alt.fan.karl-malden.nose:54235 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:974 news.groups:248602 alt.wired:61086 soc.culture.usa:189875 news.admin.censorship:28942 All "moderated" newsgroups have been ruled unconstitutional as "censorship" and any moderated newsgroups will be done away with by Court Order, if necessary. In news.admin.net-abuse.policy Aga wrote: > Tim Skirvin wrote: > : Seth Breidbart writes: > The little boy and the old man, huh? > : >In article <5c0v3o$87m@stronghold.dhp.com>, Aga forged > : >approval to news.admin.net-abuse.policy: > : To make it perfectly clear: any posts like this with forged > : approval (ie not from me or Scott) are fully open game. Anybody that > : wishes to cancel them may do so. > I have news for you little boy. "Moderated" newsgroups are censorship, > and will no longer be permitted on UseNet(tm) > UseNet is PUBLIC property, and any "moderated" newsgroups shall > now be done away with. > : - Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu) > : Co-Moderator, news.admin.net-abuse.policy > : -- > : Skirv's Homepage <*> > : The Dungeon > Just go away, Timmy Boy. We are not going to listen to any > 19 year old kid who thinks he can censor usenet. > It is about time we talked to uiuc about you, sonny. > Dr. John Grubor, Esq. > UseNet(tm) Operations Director Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!europa.clark.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!hell From: kill@the.cancel.bot Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,alt.webgod,misc.legal Subject: Re: alt.xxx Groups (was Content Based Cancels Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 00:12:56 GMT Organization: NO JUNK MAIL Lines: 9 Approved: x@x.x Message-ID: <5fl268$1u8_001@hell.org> References: <330A83F8.7892@mx.parliament.govt.nz> <5f2qh0$3tn@news.orst.edu> <5f7lpq$d7l@news.orst.edu> <5fa4dl$b7s@augusta.math.psu.edu> <5fjmu6$dm5@stronghold.dhp.com> X-No-Archive: yes Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1340 misc.legal:207300 In article <5fjmu6$dm5@stronghold.dhp.com>, Aga wrote: :Bullshit! NO newsgroups are allowed to have "charters" :which get enforced. UseNet is PUBLIC property, and we are :going to eliminate all cancels with a Federal Court action :very soon. You're going after him and I'm going after some other net kook who thinks he can cancel whatever he wants. Let's put an end to this bullshit. Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsout1.alt.net!news1.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!usenet From: zeus@alt.net (Zeus - Father Of Gods And Men) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.webgod,alt.wired,alt.god.grubor,alt.sage.john-grubor Subject: Re: Massachusetts anti-UCE bill hearing MONDAY 6/23 10am ! Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:52:10 GMT Organization: Zenith Deity Lines: 47 Approved: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org Message-ID: <33ad3b57.1857367@news.alt.net> References: <5ofdoq$lnr@snews2.zippo.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.policy:3830 alt.wired:70750 Boursy, Grubor and Vulis ate 3 freedom knights who approve of all messages posted to these newsgroups with "approved" lines. cancelations shall be dealt with accordingly. On 21 Jun 1997 02:20:10 GMT, Tommy the Terrorist wrote: >Wonderful. So just when I thought that the process couldn't become any >more vague, any more prone to abuse, any more damaging, or any more >ineffective in stopping actual spammers, this comes out. > >Now, when you send a post to a political mailing list that refers in >glowing terms to a non-profit site which has a sponsor which may or may >not be regarded as an "advertiser", you don't just have to worry about >the federal UCE law, but about the UCE laws of 50 different "states" >within the U.S., each with their own specific restrictions, penalties, >and idiotic courtroom precedents. > Ron Newman is a crazy Scientologist, so that explains it. >These sons of bitches have sold their birthright for a mess of pottage, >and they weren't even hungry! I've seen mentions for at least two kinds >of UCE-blocking software on this group in the past two weeks! The >problem could have been solved - WAS being solved - by bona fide computer >programmers doing their work and making their money, not as thugs with >guns and a law book but as honest professionals making a network work the >way people want it to. > >I'd say it would end up in the courts, but this fad of UCE-bills wouldn't >have caught on if the court wasn't about to screw us all over with the >CDA verdict. > >By the time they finish, the reprisals and censorships will be perfectly >Third World arbitrary. > >Our only hope is that enough people can remember the fundamental American >tradition of anarchism and revolution, supported by the fundamental and >immortal principle of freedom of speech, and defy the government, not in >the legislatures or in the courts, but by the direct defiance of power. > Yes, PISS ON Chris Lewis! Defy the power! -Zeus Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsout1.alt.net!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!usenet From: boursy@alt.net (Stephen Boursy) Newsgroups: alt.censorship,alt.wired,talk.politics.misc,alt.culture.usenet,humanities.philosophy.objectivism,alt.forgery,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,news.admin.net-abuse.sightings,alt.usenet.admin,alt.god.grubor,news.groups,alt.webgod,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-scum,news.admin.policy,alt.journalism Subject: Forgery by Tiny Tim Was: Further Comment on ADMIN: Weekend Downtime Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:24:36 GMT Organization: ISP Watchers United Lines: 109 Approved: the freedom knights Message-ID: <33ad3495.22494188@news.alt.net> References: <33ac0a98.24711552@news.alt.net> <33ac8982.17880368@news.alt.net> Reply-To: boursy@alt.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: Forte Agent .99g/32.339 Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu alt.censorship:188707 alt.wired:70749 talk.politics.misc:794524 alt.culture.usenet:34907 humanities.philosophy.objectivism:30342 alt.forgery:3363 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:3829 news.admin.net-abuse.sightings:4490 news.groups:275503 news.admin.censorship:40327 alt.journalism:101306 Below is a repost the Timmy Skirvin forge cancelled--it'll be reposted with regularity. His actual cancel is at the end of the post--note that he not only forged but his stated reason is a lie. More on Tim can be found at: http://www.netscum.net On Sun, 22 Jun 1997 02:16:19 GMT, boursy@alt.net (Stephen Boursy) wrote: - zeus@alt.net (Zeus - Father Of Gods And Men) wrote: - 0 - -On 19 Jun 1997 16:13:50 GMT, tskirvin@uiuc.edu (Tim Skirvin) wrote: - - - -> All groups that I moderate will be down from Friday 6/21 at 4:00pm - ->to Monday 6/24 at 8am (possibly slightly longer or shorter, but probably - - But you don't 'moderate' any groups Timmy. You may think your the -'Moderator'--you might as well view yourself as the Queen of England--I -mean this is the USA and you can have whatever fantasy you like. - - ->not). The server that they run on will be down for a major system upgrade - ->during this time, and I'm not sure I've got any place to store the modbots - ->(or redirect the mail, etc) in the mean time. - - That's very sloppy Timmy. - - -> Submitted posts should eventually be posted when we get back up. - ->Sorry about this... - - This post is not being submitted--it's being sent to Usenet at large--if -you've a problem with that and it's cancelled your universities Board -of Trustees is going to be phone banked until your expelled. - - - -> - Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu) - -> Moderator, humanities.philosophy.objectivism - - He's really the Queen of Englang but he's shy. - - -> Co-Moderator, news.admin.net-abuse.sightings - - Queen of Spain. - - -> Co-Moderator, news.admin.net-abuse.policy - - Jack of Diamonds. - - ->-- - ->Skirv's Homepage<*> - ->The Killfile Dungeon - - http://www.netscum.net/ - - - -This is a sick little 19 year old boy who has gone crazy with a - -censorship bug. All of these newsgroups must become unmoderated - -immediately. - - They already are. - - - - -Somebody get Timmy's Daddy's phone number. - - Naw--let's start phone banking the Universities Board of Trustees -if just one post is cancelled. - - Steve - news.admin.censorship - - - - - --Zeus - The below is Timmy's forged cancel--note he is lying. Steve news.admin.censorship -------------------------------------------------------------------- [This is an automated messaged. Please reply if the information appears to be erroneous or if you want to be removed from this service.] The following cancel message was found in your name. Path: news2.digex.net!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!spewcancel!cyberspam!not-for-mail ~From: boursy@alt.net (Stephen Boursy) ~Newsgroups: alt.culture.usenet,alt.censorship,humanities.philosophy.objectivism,alt.forgery,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,news.admin.net-abuse.sightings,alt.usenet.admin,alt.god.grubor,news.groups,alt.webgod,news.admin.censorship,news.admin.net-scum,news.admin.policy ~Subject: cmsg cancel <33ac8982.17880368@news.alt.net> ~Control: cancel <33ac8982.17880368@news.alt.net> ~Date: 22 Jun 1997 03:35:00 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign ~Lines: 1 Approved: tskirvin@uiuc.edu Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: symcom.math.uiuc.edu X-Cancelled-By: tskirvin@uiuc.edu Originator: tskirvin@symcom.math.uiuc.edu ~Xref: news2.digex.net control.cancel:8131567 Forged spew, cancelled at the request of the forgee. . Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!165.113.1.42!crl11.crl.com!not-for-mail X-Reposted-By: sjkiii@crl.com Message-ID: X-Original-Path: ...!enews.sgi.com!news.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!news.psc.edu!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!dhp.com!pgh From: Pittsburgh Admin Newsgroups: alt.webgod,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.censorship,alt.censorship,alt.wired,alt.slack Subject: REPOST: UPDATE: NOTICE to UIUC security/Bob* Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 06:37:17 -0500 Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) X-Original-Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: aga cc: Freedom Knights , postmaster@uiuc.edu, postmaster@dhp.com, Steve Boursy , Law Systems Institute , Net Admin , UseNet Freedom Council , esq@pgh.org, rent_control@msn.com, boursy In-Reply-To: Lines: 103 Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.censorship:31341 alt.censorship:174414 alt.wired:63267 alt.slack:136712 Reposting article cancelled because of cancelbot error--apologies for the inconvenience. --sjkiii@crl.com ----- Original message's body follows next line ----- NOTICE to Prospective PLAINTIFFS: The Provost of UIUC, Dr. Larry Falkner, was notified yesterday of Tim Skirvin's wire-fraud and harassment by communication. He was also notified of the Civil Federal Action against UIUC by Grubor, Boursy and others for Tim Skirvin's web-page defamations and global killfiles for the last two years. Unless Tim Skirvin and/or his page is terminated as a student, UIUC will get sued in Federal Court by Grubor, Boursy and anybody else who wishes to be a Plaintiff. A Bruce Gletty, the postmaster at UIUC is also being investigeted for obstruction of Justice, as he has covered up Tim Skirvin's infractions many times in the past. UIUC has deep pockets as it is the home of Mosaic. We must make an example out of this Tim Skirvin case so this NEVER again happens to anybody's freedom of speech on this UseNet. Anyone who has ever been mentioned on Tim Skirvin's web-page can become a party to this Lawsuit. You may contact the Law Systems Institute for details at any time at (412) 829-7853 pgh.org admin On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, aga wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, sven wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 06 Mar 1997 10:20:39 -0800 > > From: sven > > Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org > > To: aga > > Subject: Re: NOTICE to UIUC security/Bob Foertsch re:Tim Skirvin > > > > Howdy, > > > > >> Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:15:46 -0600 > > >> From: Tim Skirvin > > >> To: postmaster@dhp.com > > >> Subject: Continuing forged approvals > > >> > > >> I've just gotten another couple of forged approvals in > > >> news.admin.net-abuse.policy. This has continued for several weeks now, > > >> and I'm sick of it; as such, you are as of this time officially banned > > >> from any and all newsgroups that I moderate, until such time that you > > >> clean up your act. Postings that are submitted from your site will not > > >> make it to the mod-bots; forged approvals will be auto-cancelled. In > > >> addition, I will throw my personal support in for any form of Usenet > > >> penalty that can be mustered against DHP at this time, up to and including > > >> a UDP. > > >> > > >> The forged approvals are appended. > > >> > > >> - Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu) > > >> Co-Moderator, news.admin.net-abuse.policy > > > > Skirvin continues to behave with a pathological determination to resolve his> > own ego issues in the forum of external events. The above message falls > > under the jurisdiction of US collusion laws & is a gateway to anti-trust > > legislation, so I urge those supporting him to think _long and hard_ about > > their civil liabilities in this issue. His justification "I'm sick of it" > > would make any criminal psychiatrist identify his personality type for what > > it is and recommend future counseling. > > > > Thanks, > > Sven > > There is another problem person here, and that is a Bruce Gletty, > the postmaster at UIUC, & Mr. Gletty will defintely be a named > Defendant in this Lawsuit, if one is necessary. He has been > covering up complaints about this Tim Skirvin for wellover a year > now. However, in this case, There are Federal wire-fraud charges and > harassment by communication charges here also, so we may not need to > bring a civil suit. > > I spoke for over two hours yesterday with various UIUC officials, and > hopefully will be speaking with their legal counsel today. > > That UIUC postmaster has been covering up for Skirvin for a while, > and we are today speaking to the Dean of the UIUC College of Liberal > Arts and Sciences, Jessie Delica, in an attempt to have Tim Skirvin > removed as a student employee at the Math department, and/or have his > Internet cancelation ability terminated. > > A lawsuit is imminent, and this Skirvin boy shall be made an example > of how you can not go interfering with Freedom of Speech in this > Country. You do not go trying to intimidate ISPs and get away with > it. When I told that to the Vice-Chancelor's office today, they > almost shit. That will be the last time he ever tries to threaten > DHP with a UDP. > > Now the Canadian is another problem, and we will need to go to Canada > to take care of that. A lawsuit against Lewis and Nortel is what is > required in that case. > > aga administrator > UseNet Freedom Council > Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeeds.sol.net!hammer.uoregon.edu!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!despams.ocunix.on.ca!not-for-mail Message-ID: <970307091321.36190.26150@ferret.ocunix.on.ca> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins,news.lists.filters Date: 6 Mar 1997 09:13:21 EST Followup-To: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet From: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca (Chris Lewis) Subject: Forged moderator approval for news.admin.net-abuse.policy @@NCM Organization: Despams 'R Us Approved: news-admin-bulletins-request@math.psu.edu Lines: 65 Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins:5590 news.lists.filters:9089 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- The article described herein was posted by someone at alt.net forging Approval: for the moderated group "news.admin.net-abuse.policy". It has been cancelled. Regards, Chris Lewis clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca @@BEGIN NCM HEADERS Version: 0.9 Issuer: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca; Type: spam Action: hide Count: 1 Notice-ID: ferret19970306.01 @@BEGIN NCM BODY <5fl268$1u8_001@hell.org> news.admin.net-abuse.policy, alt.usenet.admin, alt.webgod, misc.legal @@END NCM BODY |Path: bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!nrchh45.rich.nt.com!van-bc!uniserve!newsfeeds.sol.net!europa.clark.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.alt.net!newspost1.alt.net!hell |From: kill@the.cancel.bot |Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.policy,alt.usenet.admin,alt.webgod,misc.legal |Subject: Re: alt.xxx Groups (was Content Based Cancels |Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 00:12:56 GMT |Organization: NO JUNK MAIL |Lines: 9 |Approved: x@x.x |Message-ID: <5fl268$1u8_001@hell.org> |References: <330A83F8.7892@mx.parliament.govt.nz> <5f2qh0$3tn@news.orst.edu> <5f7lpq$d7l@news.orst.edu> <5fa4dl$b7s@augusta.math.psu.edu> <5fjmu6$dm5@stronghold.dhp.com> |X-No-Archive: yes | |In article <5fjmu6$dm5@stronghold.dhp.com>, Aga wrote: | |:Bullshit! NO newsgroups are allowed to have "charters" |:which get enforced. UseNet is PUBLIC property, and we are |:going to eliminate all cancels with a Federal Court action |:very soon. | |You're going after him and I'm going after some other net kook who thinks he |can cancel whatever he wants. Let's put an end to this bullshit. - -- All postings to news.admin.net-abuse.bulletins are unconfirmed and unverified unless stated otherwise by the moderators. All opinions expressed above are considered the opinions of the original poster not the moderators or their respective employers. For a copy of the guidelines to this group, see http://www.math.uiuc.edu/~tskirvin/home/nana/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBMx7R+53FmCyJjHfhAQEhYgP+M7SmVz4hMI/O63AqWtG276eoqnw+IZFW D0synzQvmdwdW3dGpWYWaH4b5jOKwcgrNmsstTTfzB/V2XrLKKvIA24hFM+thd9f mTcOXmiX+NUuR8ZeElE9qsybUPX3a4YufciIlS0+kViYp195DFgEfPOZI+7xySY4 gE3joh/U3ag= =h1zx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!204.171.44.51!scramble.lm.com!news.dhp.com!not-for-mail From: pgh Newsgroups: alt.wired,alt.usenet.admin,news.admin.net-abuse.policy,misc.legal,alt.webgod,news.groups,alt.censorship,news.admin.censorship Subject: Re: From the moderator... (was Re: E-mail list mailbombs and listserver policy) Date: 1 Apr 1997 15:34:49 GMT Organization: DataHaven Project +1 412 421 4516 (DHP.COM) Lines: 33 Approved: pgh@dhp.com Message-ID: <5hr9up$teh@stronghold.dhp.com> References: <33378d1d.196794078@netnews.worldnet.att.net> <5h9n17$2vi$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> <33386e5e.254458791@netnews.worldnet.att.net> <5hke8f$dpa$1@Nntp1.mcs.net> <5hkqg5$rr5@scapa.cs.ualberta.ca> <333e20bb.183114677@netnews.worldnet.att.net> <5hlbkq$ahb$1@news1.exit109.com> <333e635d.200172349@netnews.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 960917] Xref: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu alt.wired:64585 news.admin.net-abuse.policy:1801 misc.legal:211075 news.groups:259277 alt.censorship:176887 news.admin.censorship:33043 Tim Skirvin wrote: : Scott Weiser writes: : >Oh really? And just what do you think the "militia" does when it's : >called up? And do you understand the intent of the 2nd Amendment? The "intent" is to STOP any 19 year old boys on this planet from censoring the newsgroups of this world by alleging to be a "moderator" of any newsgroup. Any "moderated" newsgroups on UseNet are strictly ILLEGAL and all "moderators" will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. : Oh Gods...people, please stop this latest rise of the Great Floating : Gun Control Flamewar. This is news.admin.net-abuse.policy; to say that it's : blatantly off-topic would be a severe understatement... Gun control is on topic everywhere, and this little boy trying to be a "moderator" here is going to get him prosecuted for illegal censorship, forgery and wire-fraud. : (So proclaimeth the moderator. You'd better hope he doesn't decide : to procmaileth.) Here, the 19 year old boy _threatens_ people. : - Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@uiuc.edu) : -- : Skirv's Homepage <*> : The Dungeon cc to the Provost of UIUC